[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>> Vanessa: WELCOME TO
"LOVE IS BLIND:
THE LIVE REUNION!"
WE ARE SORRY WE ARE LATE.
WE ARE NO LONGER LIVE, BUT WE
ARE FINALLY HERE.
ALL OF YOU AT HOME, YOU HAVEN'T
MISSED ANYTHING.
BEEN SITTING ON THESE COUCHES
NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER SO WE
SAVE ALL THE TEA FOR YOU.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE MOST
TALKED ABOUT MOMENTS, THE I DOS,
THE I DON'TS, EXCLUSIVE NEVER
NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN FOOTAGE FROM
THE SHOW AND A SNEAK PEEK WHAT
THE MARRIED COUPLES' HOME LIVES
ARE LIKE.
>> Nick: THAT'S ENOUGH
BUSINESS UP FRONT.
LET'S GET INTO IT.
AUDIENCE, PLEASE GIVE OUR CAST A
HUGE ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
>> WE WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU
FOR SHARING YOUR LOVE AND LIVES.
JACKIE AND JOSH AREN'T HERE BUT
I SAT DOWN WITH THEM FOR AN
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WE WILL SHOW
YOU LATER IN THE SHOW AND WILL
BE JOINED BY IRINA HERE IN
STUDIO IN JUST A BIT.
OKAY, A 50/50 AUDIENCE.
FIRST I WANT TO SAY HIGH BACK
TO, MICAH, AND PAUL.
PAUL, A LITTLE HEARTBREAK SHIRT?
WHAT IS THAT?
ZACK AND BLISS, LITTLE
COORDINATION.
HI.
HOW ARE YOU?
YOU ARE GOOD?
JUDGING BY THE OUTFIT AND THE
SOCKS, Y'ALL ARE STILL MARRIED.
>> AND THE RINGS.
DID THE OWL PORTRAIT MAKE IT
INTO YOUR LOVE NEST TOGETHER?
>> IT IS.
WE SEE IT EVERY DAY.
>> Nick: KWAME, CHELSEA, GREAT
TO SEE YOU GUYS.
LET'S GET THE BUSINESS OUT OF
THE WAY.
STILL HAPPILY MARRIED?
>> YES.
>> HAPPILY MARRIED.
>> Nick: STILL FEEDING EACH
OTHER STRAWBERRIES?
>> ALL THE GOOD THINGS.
>> Vanessa: LAST BUT CERTAINLY
NOT LEAST, BRETT AND TIFFANY.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
STILL MADLY IN LOVE AND HAPPY
AS EVER, I'M ASSUMING.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Vanessa: WE ONLY DO
90-DEGREE REFERENCES IN THIS
FAMILY.
>> Nick: BRECHT, LOOKING
ESPECIALLY SHARP, DID BOUGIE
BRETT TO GET THE SUIT
CUSTOM-MADE?
>> 100%.
>> Nick: AND THE KICKS?
>> I HAD TO WORSEN STATEMENT
SNEAKERS.
I WAS GOING TO SAY IT WAS A
DELAY BECAUSE BRETT WAS GETTING
HIS PAN PANTS FIXED.
>> Vanessa: YOU ARE SO MADLY
IN LOVE.
WATCHING THE WEDDING, WE SAW YOU
GUYS.
IT WAS THE FAIRY TALE.
THE FAIRY TALE HAS CONTINUED IN
LIFE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
HERE'S THE THING, ACTUALLY MOVE
DOWN TO PORTLAND.
HE WAS A BIG --
IT WAS A BIG CHANGE FOR ME.
THE SUPPORT, NEVER STOP DATING.
THAT IS SOMETHING BRETT IS GOOD
WITH.
>> Vanessa: YOU KEEP IT HOT
AND SPICY BUT YOU NEED TO GIVE
YOURSELF SOME CREDIT, TIFFANY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ON
YOUR WEDDING DAY AFTER Y'ALL GOT
MARRIED, YOU ARE VERY EAGER TO
GO TO THE BRIDAL SUITE.
WANTED TO SNEAK AWAY SO BAD.
THIS IS OUR NEVER BEFORE SEEN
CLIP OF WHEN THEY HIT THE BRIDAL
SUITE.
ROLL THE TAPE.
>> TIFFANY?
[MUSIC PLAYING]
[SIGHS]
[APPLAUSE]
>> Vanessa: OF COURSE I WAS
JOKING.
I'M NOT GOING TO AIR YOUR DIRTY
LAUNDRY.
DID YOU GO TO THE BRIDAL SUITE?
>> GET A QUICKIE END?
>> Vanessa: NO, WHEN YOU GET
MARRIED.
>> CONSUMMATE.
>> Vanessa: IS THIS TMI?
>> I WANTED TO BUT I LOVE
MESSING AROUND WITH HIM.
I'M QUITE THE JOKESTER.
>> WE ARE BOTH JOKESTERS.
>> Vanessa: YOU DIDN'T WANT TO
MESS UP THE SUIT?
I WILL SAY THAT MOMENT OF YOU
FALLING ASLEEP, TIFFANY, IS
GOING TO GO DOWN IN THE
"LOVE IS BLIND" ARCHIVES.
YOU'RE PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO
LIVE IT DOWN BUT WE WANT TO KNOW
WHAT WAS GOING ON IN YOUR MIND
WHEN YOUR GIRLS WOKE YOU UP.
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
>> WELL, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T
REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED.
I KNEW I SHUT MY EYES AND NOSE
LIKE, OKAY, HIS VOICE WAS
SOOTHING.
WE WERE PLAYING MICAH GAME
BEFORE THEN.
WE WERE PLAYING A GAME BEFORE
THAT.
IT WAS AN EMOTIONAL RELEASE.
I SAID WHAT I NEEDED TO SAY.
YEAH, AND THEN I GUESS I KNOCKED
OUT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG IT
WAS.
>> IT WAS LIKE 20 MINUTES.
>> Vanessa: THAT'S CALLED A
POWER NAP.
GET IT, GIRL.
>> NOT MY FINEST MOMENT BUT MY
GIRL, SHE WOKE ME UP.
WE WERE ALWAYS SINGING THAT SONG
AND THE PODS AND I GUESS SHE
KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING TO WAKE UP
TO.
I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO
WAKE UP DANCING.
I SAW IT WITH THE REST OF THE
FANS, I WAS LIKE "OH, MY GOSH,
IT JUST HIT ME WHEN I REALIZED
BRETT WASN'T THERE AND I THOUGHT
I MISSED MY MOMENT.
>> Nick: MARSHALL, I'VE GOT TO
ASK YOU.
I HEARD YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR THE TWO OF THEM GETTING
TOGETHER.
HOW TRUE IS THAT?
>> 100% ON ME.
[LAUGHTER]
NOT 100% BUT I WILL SAY TO
>> AFTER TIFFANY AND I DECIDED
TO CALL IT QUITS, NOT REALLY
CALL IT QUITS JUST FOCUS ON
OTHER PEOPLE, I WENT TO BRETT
AND I WAS LIKE TELLING BRETT,
TIFFANY IS A WONDERFUL WOMAN.
I FELT LIKE I HAD KNOWN BRECHT
BEFORE ALL OF THIS.
WE HAD INSTANTANEOUSLY
CONNECTED.
I FELT LIKE TIFFANY WAS THE
RIGHT PERSON FOR BRETT AND BRETT
WAS THE RIGHT PERSON FOR
TIFFANY.
THERE'S MORE TO THAT STORY.
THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF
EMOTIONS SWIRLING.
I SAID TO TIFFANY, YOUR PERSON
IS HERE AND YOU WILL GET THROUGH
THIS AND LOOK WHERE THEY ARE
NOW.
>> Nick: LET'S HEAR FROM HER
PERSON.
BRETT, I'M CURIOUS, WHEN YOU
THINK BACK TO HOW THIS ALL
STARTED WAY BACK IN THE PODS.
WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE MEMORY?
WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE MEMORY OF
YOUR LOVE STORY TOGETHER?
>> WITHOUT A DOUBT I WOULD SAY
OUR LAST DINNER BEFORE THE
WEDDING WHERE I SURPRISED HER
WITH THE PORTRAITS.
FOR ME, THAT WAS, OUT OF ALL THE
MOMENTS, THE MOMENT I WAS MOST
LOOKING FORWARD TO, BECAUSE OF
THE STORY BEHIND IT, IN THE SHOW
THERE IS A SCENE WHERE TIFFANY
IS LIKE CRYING ON THE COUCH.
SHE IS OVERWHELMED BY ALL THE
PLANNING AND WE ARE SITTING LIKE
WE ARE NOW AND I AM TELLING HER
HEY, IT'S OKAY TO FEEL THAT WAY.
AND THAT DAY I CAME BACK FROM
PORTLAND.
I DROVE THREE HOURS UP, FUN
NUGGET.
IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE SHOW
BUT I DON'T LIVE IN SEATTLE.
I LIVE IN PORTLAND.
SO I DROVE UP THREE HOURS IN THE
MORNING AND THEN DROVE UP THREE
HOURS BACK IN THE SAME DAY FROM
WORK.
I WANTED TO TAKE HER PORTRAIT.
SHE SAID YES.
TO MAKE HER FEEL BETTER.
I KNEW THAT THE LAST THING SHE
WOULD EXPECT WOULD BE SURPRISED
WITH THE PICTURES FROM THE SHOOT
AND HER REACTION, AS I'VE
STARTED DOING PHOTOGRAPHY IN
2020.
I'VE NEVER HAD MY WORK FRAMED.
>> Vanessa: WHAT DO YOU THINK
ABOUT THE PHOTOGRAPHY OF KWAME
AND CHELSEA?
HOW IS THAT MOMENT?
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PICTURES.
>> Vanessa: YOU SAW THE WHOLE
BOOK.
WE LOVED THAT.
YOU LOOK VERY COORDINATED, AND
STILL VERY MUCH IN LOVE.
I AM GOING TO SAY THAT IT'S A
SIGNATURE PINK.
YOU'VE GOT ALL THE SHADES.
50 SHADES OF PINK.
WAS IT LIKE GETTING YOUR
ENGAGEMENT PHOTO SHOOT TOGETHER
FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE?
WHAT WAS GOING ON IN YOUR MINDS?
>> WE LOVED IT.
WE LOVED IT, IT WAS A DREAM COME
TRUE FOR ME.
WITH THE VIEWERS DIDN'T SEE WAS
THAT WE CONNECTED ABOUT CALVIN
KLEIN IN THE PODS BEFORE ALL OF
THAT AND WE HAD A DATE AND IT
WAS CALLED THE CALVIN KLEIN
DATE.
>> CHELSEA ACTUALLY GOT ME A
GIFT.
I OPENED THE BOX AND IT'S A PAIR
OF BOXERS AND I AM SITTING
THERE, WHAT DO I DO WITH THESE?
SHE'S LIKE, GO PUT THEM ON.
>> HERE?
I WAS LIKE, YES.
>> I LEFT THE POD COME UP WITH
THE BOXERS ON, CAME BACK IN AND
WE HAD OUR DATE.
>> IN THE CALVINS.
>> Nick:HOUSE CALVIN KLEIN SENT YOU SOME
FREE UNDERWEAR.
>> MY MOM SHOPPED FOR ME FOR MY
FUTURE HUSBAND, MY MYSTERY MAN
HUSBAND'S UNDERWEAR.
SHE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO
HAPPEN FOR ME.
>> Vanessa: THE PAIR THAT YOU
GAVE HIM WASN'T THE PAY OR YOUR
MOM BOUGHT?
>> NO, WE JUST WENT TOGETHER.
>> Vanessa: JUST MAKING SURE.
>> IT DID ARRIVE AFTER WE LEFT A
FILM AND HAD TO SEND THEM TO THE
STUDIO.
IT WAS A WHOLE THING.
>> Vanessa: DID YOU PRINT THE
PHOTOS?
>> WE WILL BE DEFINITELY.
DISPLAYED IN OUR HOUSE.
>> THEY ARE GOING TO GO ON THE
WALL.
THAT DATE, BY THE WAY, WAS THE
DAY I KNEW CHELSEA WAS THE ONE.
I WALKED BACK IN AND I ACTUALLY
HAVE THOSE BOXERS ON RIGHT NOW.
>> Vanessa: A LOVELY PAIR OF
UNDERWEAR.
LUCKY PERRY OF UNDERWEAR.
>> SO MANY COUPLES THAT I DO.
THERE WAS A RECORD NUMBER OF
LOVE TRIANGLES WE'RE GOING TO
GET TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF
THEM.
DON'T YOU WORRY.
FIRST WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT
CHELSEA, KWAME, AND MICAH.
>> Vanessa: HERE'S A NEVER
BEFORE SCENE CLIP.
>> HI.
>> HI, LITTLE FRIEND.
YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE TEDDY BEAR.
>> [LAUGHS]
I KNOW.
YEAH, YOU HAVEN'T MET HER, HUH?
>> NO.
>> NOW, WAIT.
WHAT'S YOUR DOG'S NAME AGAIN?
>> THIS IS ROCKY.
HI.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME, BABY?
>> HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING?
>> MOVED IN?
WE JUST GOT BACK, AND --
>> THERE'S A LOT GOING ON NOW.
>> YEAH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN
EACH OTHER SINCE MEXICO.
>> I KNOW WE KIND OF LEFT, LIKE,
ON A WEIRD NOTE.
AND I THINK THERE WAS, LIKE,
SOME CONFUSION OVER, LIKE, SOME
STUFF THAT WAS, LIKE, SAID.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THE GIRLS
SAID THAT YOU WERE, LIKE, MAYBE
FEELING, LIKE, UPSET.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO
HEAR, LIKE, YOUR TAKE ON WHAT
HAPPENED --
>> MM-HMM.
>> AT THE WELCOME PARTY.
>> I, LIKE, MADE A SUPER
UNFORTUNATE JOKE THAT, LIKE, I
THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN AS
FUNNY, BUT IT WASN'T.
AND IN THAT REGARDS, LIKE, I DO
REALLY REGRET THAT BECAUSE I
COULD TELL --
>> AND WHAT WAS THE JOKE?
>> I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING,
LIKE, TO THE TUNE OF, LIKE -- I
DON'T KNOW.
LIKE, CHEERS TO, LIKE, A FAILED
PROPOSAL OR SOMETHING.
LIKE --
>> IT PROCEEDED TO BE A
20-MINUTE CONVERSATION.
>> MM-HMM.
>> RIGHT?
IT JUST DIDN'T NEED TO BE --
>> YEAH.
>> IN THAT WAY.
>> YEAH.
>> IN MY OPINION.
>> HE WAS, LIKE, UPSET, AND
THAT'S WHY HE WANTED TO TALK.
>> TOTALLY.
>> BUT THEN, WHEN YOU, LIKE,
CAME OVER, IT WAS MORE TO JUST,
LIKE, CHAT MORE.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE, FROM AN
OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD
LOOK AT THAT AND BE LIKE, WHAT
THE HELL IS GOING ON OVER THERE?
>> WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
>> YEAH.
SO I TOTALLY --
>> AND I DID.
>> THAT'S HOW IT FELT TO ME.
>> AND I WAS.
AND I WAS REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE.
>> MM-HMM.
>> FROM WHAT YOU TOLD ME IN THE
PODS, YOU WERE BREAKING UP WITH
HIM.
>> MM-HMM.
>> AND FROM WHAT HE TOLD ME, HE
WAS BREAKING UP WITH YOU.
SO YOU GUYS WERE, LIKE, BREAKING
UP WITH EACH OTHER --
>> MM-HMM.
>> IN YOUR OWN WAYS.
>> YEAH.
>> I DON'T KNOW YOUR GUYS'
RELATIONSHIP.
AND I DIDN'T -- OBVIOUSLY, I
ONLY KNEW THE CONNECTION THAT I
HAD WITH KWAME, RIGHT?
OF COURSE.
>> I THINK I WOULD'VE -- YEAH
>> AND JUST WANTED TO BE
RESPECTFUL TO ME AND TO PAUL.
>> 100%.
>> WE BOTH FELL IN LOVE WITH THE
SAME GUY.
>> MM-HMM.
>> AND TO SAY THAT WE WEREN'T
THREATENED BY EACH OTHER WOULD
BE A LIE.
>> I DO APOLOGIZE IF THAT
COMMENT, LIKE, STIRRED UP, LIKE,
CRAP FOR LITERALLY NO REASON.
LIKE, THAT WASN'T MY INTENTION.
>> WELL, I APPRECIATE IT.
>> YEAH, WELL, ANYWAYS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I'LL LET YOU GET BACK TO YOUR
NIGHT.
>> OKAY.
BUT I LOVE YOU AND --
>> OKAY.
>> Vanessa: CHELSEA, IT
APPEARED THAT YOU AND MICAH HAD
MADE UP BUT THAT WAS BEFORE YOU
SAW THE ACTUAL FOOTAGE WITH
AUDIO AND SOME MORE VISUAL OF
MICAH AND KWAME'S MEXICO
POOLSIDE CHAT.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE WHEN YOU
WATCHED THAT?
>> IT WAS DIFFICULT, VERY
UNCOMFORTABLE.
BUT WE HAD HAD THAT
CONVERSATION.
MICAH AND I HAD HAD RESOLUTION.
TOGETHER.
KWAME AND I HAD HAD HOURS LONG
CONVERSATION THAT EVENING.
YOU SAW A LITTLE SNIPPET OF OUR
CONVERSATION.
SO WE HAD MOVED ON.
WE WERE HAPPILY MARRIED RIGHT
NOW.
THAT WAS AN IMMATURE COMMENT.
SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT SHE HAS GROWN.
AND I DO REALLY, REALLY WANT HER
TO BE HAPPY.
>> IF I MAY, I THINK THERE IS
SOMETHING I NEED TO SAY ABOUT
IT.
THERE IS THREE LAYERS, THERE IS
AN APOLOGY THAT NEEDS TO BE
SAID.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT WAS
REALLY HARD FOR ME TO WATCH.
REALLY HARD LOOKING BACK AT THAT
BEING THERE WITH MY LIFE AS
WELL, IT WAS INCREDIBLY IMMATURE
FOR ME TO REACT THAT WAY.
IT'S INCREDIBLY UNFAIR TO MY
WIFE AND I'M SO SORRY, BABY.
SO GLAD THAT WE --
I'M SORRY I LET MY EGO GET THE
BEST OF ME IN THAT MOMENT.
I'LL NEVER DO THAT AGAIN.
THE SECOND LAYER IS I NEED TO
SAY SORRY TO CHELSEA'S FAMILY.
IT'S NOT AN ACCURATE
REPRESENTATION OF OUR
RELATIONSHIP AND DEFTLY NOT OF
ME.
I DEFINITELY LET THAT MOMENT GET
THE BEST OF ME.
THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH I
CARE AND LOVE FOR MY LIFE.
SHE MEANS THE WORLD TO ME.
A THIRD LAYER IS FOR ALL THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE WHO
BELIEVE IN US WHO SAW THAT AND
IT GAVE THEM A REALLY NEGATIVE
LIGHT.
ALL IN ALL, I ACCEPT COMPLETELY
WHAT HAPPENED AND I KNOW THAT I
NEEDED TO GROW TO GET PAST
MOMENTS LIKE THAT AND I THINK
I'M IN A BETTER SPOT AND IT PUTS
US IN A BETTER SPOT.
>> Nick: TO BE CLEAR, AFTER
THE TWO OF YOU WERE ENGAGED, YOU
NO LONGER HAD FEELINGS FOR
MICAH.
THAT SHIP HAD SAILED.
>> I DID NOT.
LITTLE DID THE WORLD KNOW, THERE
WERE A COUPLE DATES THAT MICAH
AND I HAD THAT WERE LONG,
SCHEDULE DATES THAT BOTH ENDED
EARLY.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME BY THE
TIME WE BROKE UP, WE WEREN'T
HAVING AS MUCH FUN IN OUR DATES
ANYMORE SO WE BOTH KNEW IT WAS
COMING UP.
IT JUST HAD TO BE THAT FINAL
STEP TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I THINK WE BOTH KNEW OUR HEARTS
WERE GOING TO DIFFERENT
DIRECTIONS AND THEY WERE
DIRECTIONS THAT WERE DEFINITELY
BETTER FOR US.
WE NEEDED TO TAKE THAT STEP.
>> Nick: TO BE FAIR, THINKING
BACK TO YOUR REACTION TO YOU AND
MICAH'S LAST DATE AND THE PODS,
SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A FAIRLY
EMOTIONAL REACTION ON YOUR PART.
IF YOU KNEW YOU WERE HEADING IN
SEPARATE DIRECTIONS, WHY RISO
EMOTIONALLY MOVED AT THAT
MOMENT?
>> IT HURTS THE MATTER WHAT.
WE HAVE ALL HAD THOSE MOMENTS
WHERE YOU SEPARATE FROM SOMEONE
YOU KNOW ISN'T RIGHT FOR YOU AND
YOU STILL SIT ON YOUR BED AND
EAT ICE CREAM FOR A MONTH.
YOU HAVE TO PROCESS YOUR
EMOTIONS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
MY HEART WAS IN A DIFFERENT
PLACE AND I HAD MOVED ON.
I NEEDED TO PROCESS OUT THE PAIN
THAT WAS FELT.
I THINK THAT I'M OKAY WITH WHAT
HAPPENED.
IT HELPS ME PROCESS IT.
I SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THE
BREAKUP IMMEDIATELY WITH A BIT
MORE MATURITY BECAUSE I THINK
WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE CLOSURE
BEFORE MEXICO BUT ALL IN ALL I
THINK THERE WAS SOME PAIN IN IT
AND THAT'S THE WAY I COULD
PROCESS IT.
>> Vanessa: SOMETHING I
NOTICED IN THAT CLIP, CHELSEA,
YOU WERE TELLING MICAH HEY, YOU
TOLD ME YOU WERE GOING TO BREAK
UP WITH HIM.
AND YOU KIND OF MADE A LITTLE
SMIRK BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING.
WAS THAT NOT YOUR RECOLLECTION
OF THINGS, THAT HE WAS GOING TO
BREAK UP WITH YOU.
YOU WERE ALWAYS GOING TO BREAK
UP WITH HIM?
>> I DON'T THINK I WAS AWARE OF
THAT BUT I DON'T THINK IT
MATTERS.
I THINK, THE PROOF IS HERE.
REGARDLESS OF THE CADENCE, IT
HAPPENED AND IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE KNEW IT WAS BEST FOR
OURSELVES AND WE FOLLOW THAT.
>> Vanessa: DID KWAME SAY THAT
TO YOU OR YOU ARE IN THE MOMENT?
>> I WAS SO FOCUSED ON MY
RELATIONSHIP WITH KWAME THE
WHOLE TIME AND I THINK IT'S A
LITTLE BIT WHY AT THE POOL
PARTY, I WAS LIKE, WHOA.
I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW HOW DEEPLY
THEY HAD FALLEN FOR EACH OTHER.
>> Vanessa: SPECIFICALLY WHEN
YOU ARE WALKING THE DOGS.
YOU SAID KWAME TOLD ME HE WAS
GOING TO BREAK UP WITH YOU.
SO YOU DID?
>> I NEVER GOT TO.
WE GOT TO THE CONVERSATION.
I WRITTEN SOMETHING HEARTFELT.
THE QUEEN MEANT SOMETHING TO
EACH OTHER THAT MOMENT.
THE CONVERSATION WENT HEY, I
THINK WE SHOULD GO OUR SEPARATE
DIRECTIONS AND IT HURT TO HEAR
BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF HOW LITTLE
THE CONNECTION FELT AT THAT
POINT.
THERE IS DEPTH TO IT.
I FELT IN THAT MOMENT I NEEDED
MORE CLOSURE AND ACCEPTANCE THAT
WE DIDN'T MEAN SOMETHING TO EACH
OTHER AT SOME POINT.
IT HELPED US GET TO THAT POINT
OF OUR JOURNEY WHERE WE ARE NOW
BLESSED TO GO IN A BETTER
DIRECTION.
SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE,
IN THE LOUNGE I WAS GOING TO
HAVE A TRUCE, I WALKED UP TO
MICAH.
WHATEVER IS MEANT TO BE WILL BE.
I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT FOR
BOTH OF US.
SHE GOES, BEFORE I COULD EVEN
SPEAK, SHE SAID WAIT, I AM
BREAKING UP WITH HIM RIGHT NOW.
OH.
OKAY.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKING TO
ME BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID AND
THAT'S WHAT SHE DID.
I OBVIOUSLY, KWAME WAS ON THE
OTHER SIDE.
I COULDN'T TALK TO HIM.
I COULDN'T FACT-CHECK ANYTHING.
I'M GOING TO TAKE WHAT SHE IS
SAYING AND SHE WENT IN THERE AND
SHE DID THAT.
>> Nick: DO YOU FEEL LIKE
MICAH MAY BE PLAYED WITH KWAME'S
EMOTIONS A LITTLE BIT?
>> IT'S A COMPLICATED
EXPERIENCE.
YOU ARE FALLING IN LOVE WITH
MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
I AM GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE THE
BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, IT'S A
DIFFICULT PROCESS.
WE ALL COPE IN DIFFERENT WAYS
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT
CONDONING MESSING AROUND WITH
SOMEBODY OR PUTTING SOMEONE ELSE
DOWN TO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER BUT
IT'S A COMPLEX PROCESS AND WE
ALL DEAL WITH IT THE BEST WE CAN
CAN.
>> Vanessa: I LOVE HOW MUCH
YOU HAVE REFLECTED AND
SPECIFICALLY KWAME WHEN YOU
ASKED ABOUT REFLECTING AND
WANTING TO APOLOGIZE TO YOUR
WIFE, YOUR FAMILIES NEVER BUDDY
WATCHING.
HE DID POST ON INSTAGRAM, HE
SAID I GET IT.
BUT YOU'VE HAD THE MOST FUN
FALLING IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER
SO IF YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO
TELL EVERYBODY, WHAT DO YOU WANT
TO TELL THAT YOU THINK YOU WANT
TO ADDRESS THAT IS MISUNDERSTOOD
ABOUT Y'ALL?
>> ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP?
>> Vanessa: ABOUT YOU IN
GENERAL.
>> I WILL SAY EVERY SINGLE
CONVERSATION THAT KWAME HAD
AFTER MEXICO WITH MICAH WAS
PUSHING A NARRATIVE.
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY BY THE
TIME WERE GOING TO STEP OUT OF
THE PODS, BY THE TIME WE'RE
GOING TO GET TO MEXICO, IT WAS
GOING TO BE WITH CHELSEA.
NO I WISH THIS OR I WISH THAT,
EVERYTHING HAPPENED THE WAY IT
WAS SUPPOSED TO AND WE ARE HERE
BECAUSE OF THAT SO IF THERE WAS
ANY CONFUSION, DID YOU THINK YOU
ARE GOING TO END UP WITH MICAH?
AT THE END OF THE DAY WE BOTH
KNEW WHERE WE WERE HEADED.
WE WERE TAKING THE SAME JOURNEY.
MICAH STARTED TELLING ME SHE WAS
CONNECTING WITH PAUL AND YOU SAW
ME, I SAID I'M STARTING TO
CONNECT WITH SOMEONE ELSE TOO
AND I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW.
I WAS STARTING TO HAVE REALLY
STRONG FEELINGS FOR CHELSEA AND
I THINK IT WAS ONLY FAIR, AS
EVERYONE IS GOING THROUGH THIS
EXPERIMENT TO ADDRESS IT WITH
THE PEOPLE YOU EXPERIENCED IT
WITH.
>> Vanessa: YOU WERE BEING
HUMAN AND YOU SAID YOUR EGO
WOULD GET IN THE WAY.
BUT I RESPECT YOU HAVE TAKEN
TIME TO REFLECT AND YOU LOOK
STRONGER THAN EVER.
>> WE WERE STRONG BUT IF
ANYTHING THIS WHOLE THING MADE
US EVEN STRONGER.
[APPLAUSE]
>> Vanessa: ONE OF MY FAVORITE
PARTS OF THE SEASON WAS WHEN
KWAME'S SISTER CAME ON TV.
I WANT HER WITH ME ALL THE TIME.
SHE IS POSITIVE, SHE'S JOYFUL,
SHE'S HAPPY.
SHE'S ENCOURAGING.
SHE IS ALL THE THINGS HE
WOULDN'T SHE SAY WHEN THE BRIDAL
SUITE, CHELSEA, I STARTED TO CRY
AND IT WAS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL
MOMENT.
SEEING HOW MUCH SHE MEANS TO
YOU, KWAME, IS SO SPECIAL.
WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW, HAVE YOU
YET TO MEET KWAME'S MOTHER,
CHELSEA?
>> YES.
>> Vanessa: WHAT!
I NEED ALL THE DETAILS.
WHEN, WHERE, HOW, WHAT WERE YOU
WEARING?
>> THANKSGIVING, WE WENT TO THE
FAMILY FOR THANKSGIVING.
HIS MOM WELCOMED ME WITH OPEN
ARMS.
IT WAS A WONDERFUL FIRST VISIT
WHEN I WAS IN HIS SISTER'S HOME.
I FELT, I WAS LIKE, I AM HOME.
IT WAS LOVING, MUSIC, FOOD, IT
WAS LIKE MY FAMILY.
AND IT WAS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL
EXPERIENCE AND WE WENT AROUND.
I REALLY BONDED WITH HIS NIECES
AND WE WENT AROUND THE CIRCLE TO
SAY WHAT WE WERE THANKFUL FOR
AND HIS YOUNGEST NIECE SAID SHE
WAS MOST FAITHFUL FOR HER AUNTIE
AUNTIE --
THANKFUL FOR HER AUNTIE CHELSEA.
I HAD TO HOLD BACK TEARS.
WONDERFUL START.
>> Nick: IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY
SOMETIMES TO RECOLLECT AND
RECALL THINGS THAT HAPPENED A
YEAR AGO.
WATCHING YOU SIT HERE, SEEING
HOW HAPPY YOU ARE AND HOW STRONG
YOU ARE, WE COULDN'T BE HAPPIER
FOR YOU.
>> Vanessa: WE CAN SAY BECAUSE
THEY ARE SITTING HERE, YES, SHE
HAS MET HIS MOTHER AND YES,
BRENDA IS HIS SISTER.
BARBARA.
SORRY.
THE INTERNET IS MAKING ME GO
CRAZY.
EVERYONE CAN CALM DOWN.
THEY ARE HAPPY.
THEY ARE IN LOVE.
BARBARA WAS NOT A PAID ACTRESS.
>> Nick: PUT THAT RUMOR TO
REST.
>> IF THERE WAS, IT WOULD BE A
GOFUNDME ALREADY.
>> Vanessa: FAIRY GODMOTHER OF
A SISTER.
>> MY BEST FRIEND ALL MY LIFE.
>> Vanessa: SHE PRACTICALLY
RAISED YOU.
I HAVE BEEN FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
>> Nick: IT'S TIME TO TALK
ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST ROMANTIC
MOMENTS OF SEASON 4, THE MOMENT
THAT ZACK AND BLISS DANCED TO
THEIR SONG AFTER THEY GOT
MARRIED.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> [SINGING]
I HOPE YOU DANCE, I HOPE YOU
DANCE, I HOPE YOU DANCE.
[CHEERING]
[APPLAUSE]
>> Vanessa: WATCHING YOU, IT
GETS ME.
>> I HAVE ALREADY WATCHED IT 20
TIMES.
>> Vanessa: IT'S NEVER GOING
TO GET OLD.
YOUR LOVE JOURNEY HAS BEEN ONE
THAT PROGRESSED AND IT
PROGRESSED SO BEAUTIFULLY.
AT THAT MOMENT ON YOUR WEDDING
DAY, THAT'S WHEN I WAS SUCH A
BELIEVER.
ZACK, WATCHING YOUR FACE WHEN
YOU WERE STARING AT YOUR WIFE
AND WHEN YOU WERE DANCING WITH
HER, I KNEW THIS MAN IS IN LOVE
WITH HER AND I AM HOPING,
HOLY COW, FOR THE FIRST
"LOVE IS BLIND" BABY.
NOT THAT I'M PUTTING PRESSURE ON
Y'ALL.
[LAUGHTER]
HOW MEANINGFUL WAS THAT FOR YOU,
ZACK, TO WATCH AND DANCE WITH
YOUR WIFE TO THAT SONG?
>> YEAH.
IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
THERE WAS OF FAN WHO HAD COMMENT
ON -- COMMENTED ON THAT ON
INSTAGRAM.
IT MADE ME REALLY THINK ABOUT
HOW THAT SONG REALLY IS A
SYNOPSIS OF OUR ENTIRE LOVE
STORY.
THE LYRICS, IT'S PRETTY WILD.
LEANNE TALKS ABOUT NEVER FEARING
THE MOUNTAINS IN THE DISTANCE IN
THE MOUNTAINS IN THE DISTANCE
WERE EXACTLY WHAT I WAS FEARING
WITH BLISS.
I WAS AFRAID THAT IT WOULDN'T
WORK.
I WAS AFRAID WE COULDN'T
OVERCOME THE MOUNTAINS.
I WAS AFRAID OF WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN IF IT FAILED, IF WE GOT
ENGAGED AND AT THE ALTAR, IT WAS
"I DON'T."
I DID TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST
RESISTANCE.
BUT I DIDN'T LET A HELL-BENT
HEART LEAVE ME BETTER.
>> I LOVE THAT YOU DIDN'T LET
FEAR LEAD YOU.
YOU TRUSTED YOUR HEART.
>> Nick: LET'S TALK ABOUT
ANOTHER POTENTIAL MOUNTAIN THAT
YOU GUYS HAD TO OVERCOME.
BLISS' FATHER.
WE KNOW THAT HE WASN'T THE
BIGGEST FAN OF THE TWO OF YOU
GETTING TOGETHER.
HOW IS THAT RELATIONSHIP
PROGRESSED?
>> MY DAD WILL ALWAYS SHOW UP
FOR ME, ALWAYS BE THERE FOR ME
AND ULTIMATELY HE'S GOING TO
TRUST IN ME AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY
THAT HE AND ZACK ARE BEST BUDS
AND THEY CAN'T STOP TALKING TO
EACH OTHER WHEN WE ARE AT DINNER
OR WHATEVER.
IT IS SO CUTE.
HE IS PAYING FOR A HONEYMOON FOR
US IN PANAMA.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
>> Vanessa: OF COURSE.
I HOPE FOR THIS.
>> ONE OF THE BEST PARTS OF OUR
WEDDING, IT WAS AMAZING, SEEING
THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT CAME
TOGETHER IN A COUPLE WEEKS
ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, JUST
TO BE THERE WAS AMAZING.
BUT AS BLISS WAS COMING UP, HER
FATHER LOOKED AT ME AND HE GAVE
ME THIS LOOK OF APPROVAL AND I
KNEW IN THAT MOMENT, THAT IT WAS
GOING TO WORK OUT.
YEAH.
>> HE ALWAYS COMES AROUND.
HE STRONGLY LOVES HIS CHILDREN.
>> EVERY FATHER WANTS THE BEST
FOR HIS LITTLE GIRL.
>> IT'S AMAZING.
>> Vanessa: I'M SO GLAD THAT
DADDY CAME AROUND.
ZACK AND BLISS WEREN'T THE ONLY
ONE THING GOT CAUGHT UP IN SOME
DRAMA THE SEASON.
THERE WAS ANOTHER DUO THAT HAD
EVERYONE TALKING, AND I'M
TALKING ABOUT IRINA AND MICAH.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> I KNOW.
>> A BOW TIE.
>> SHE WENT ON A DATE WITH PAUL.
>> THAT'S REALLY FUNNY.
>> MARDI GRAS.
IT WAS WHAT I PICK FOR HIS DATE.
THAT IS SO YOU.
>> [LAUGHS]
>> SOMETHING WE WOULD DO
TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
>> MARDI GRAS?
>> LOSER.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WANTED AND
THAT'S OKAY.
BUT I AM LIKE, YOU KNOW YOU
COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE
FORTHCOMING ABOUT --
>> YEAH.
>> WHERE YOU ARE ADD IN SOME OF
JUST TELLING ME WHAT I WANTED TO
HEAR BECAUSE NOW I FEEL LIKE
FUCKING IDOT IDIOT BECAUSE I
BELIEVED YOU.
>> IT FIGURES THAT, YOU KNOW.
I JUST FEEL SO BAD THAT I HEARD
HIM.
[CRYING]
>> IT'S CRAZY.
YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
>> I HAVE TO USE THE RESTROOM.
>> WAIT.
>> Vanessa: OKAY, WE ARE
JOINED BY IRINA.
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE WATCHING THAT?
WATCHING IT UNFOLD WHEN YOU WERE
WATCHING THE SEASON?
>> SORRY.
I JUST NEED A MINUTE.
I THINK THAT THROUGHOUT WATCHING
PAT BACK WAS -- WATCHING THAT
BACK WAS DIFFICULT.
MULTIPLE PARTS WITH ZACK ON THE
WAY THINGS WENT OUT WITH THE
GIRLS.
IN THE LOUNGE AS WELL.
I FEEL LIKE I REALLY CAME INTO
IT IN A SELFISH PERSPECTIVE OF
IT WAS JUST ME.
IT WAS ME AND WHAT I WAS GOING
THROUGH AND WHAT NO ONE ELSE WAS
-- NO ONE ELSE IS EXPERIENCING.
KIND OF LIKE, I WASN'T THERE TO
MAKE FRIENDS.
IN REALITY, HOW THAT AFFECTED
OTHER PEOPLE, I WOULD SAY MY
INTENTION WAS NEVER TO HURT
ANYONE.
IT WASN'T ONLY SEEING THE GIRLS
I HURT WHICH I WILL SAY, I
PRIVATELY APOLOGIZED TO ALL OF
THEM.
I THINK IT WAS JUST DEEPER THAN
THAT.
YOU THINK IT WAS SEEING PEOPLE
THAT WERE, WE WATCHING THAT AND
FEELING THE PAIN THEY FELT WHEN
THEY WERE GROWING UP UNDER THOSE
EXPERIENCES.
I THINK I AM GOING THROUGH IT
AND EXPERIENCING AND THINKING
ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE PERSON
THAT I WANT TO BE AND THAT I'M
NOT.
IT --
IT'S PAINFUL THAT THAT'S THE
IMAGE I'M LEFT WITH ON MY THREE
WEEKS OF THIS JOURNEY.
>> Nick: OBVIOUSLY INITIALLY
YOU AND ZACK WERE TOGETHER, YOU
WENT TO MEXICO TOGETHER.
I'M CURIOUS.
BLISS, WHEN YOU WATCHED THAT
PART OF THE SEASON BACK, HOW DID
YOU FEEL?
HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT HOW IRINA
WAS TREATING ZACK?
>> WE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING
THAT HAPPENED, HE TOLD ME EVERY
LITTLE DETAIL SO I WAS PREPARED
TO SEE IT BUT I WASN'T --
I WAS VERY SHOCKED, HONESTLY AND
I'M SUPER DISAPPOINTED AND I
JUST REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GROW
FROM THIS.
IT'S SAD TO SEE SOMEONE SO
WONDERFUL BE TREATED SO POORLY.
I JUST HOPE THAT YOU CAN GROW.
>> Vanessa: ZACK, DO YOU THINK
IRINA EVER TOOK YOUR
RELATIONSHIP SERIOUSLY?
>> NO.
>> I WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK ON THAT
IF I CAN.
IT REALLY HURTS TO HEAR ZACK SAY
THAT.
I GENUINELY THINK ME AND ZACK
WEREN'T RIGHT FOR EACH OTHER AND
I THINK WHEN I CAME INTO THIS
EXPANSE I FELT LIKE I WAS IN A
PLACE TO FIND --
I WAS READY TO MEET SOMEBODY
THAT I WANTED TO SPEND THE REST
OF MY LIFE WITH THAT I THINK
THERE WHEN I WENT INTO IT, I
CAME INTO IT THINKING IF THERE'S
ANYBODY IN THERE THAT IT DOESN'T
FEEL RIGHT, I'M CUTTING IT OFF
RIGHT AWAY SO ZACK WAS THE LAST
GUY I CHOSE AND I STILL THINK
HE'S THE BEST GUY AND THERE'S A
REASON I CHOSE HIM.
I THINK WE WEREN'T MEANT TO BE,
CLEARLY WE CAN SEE FROM DAY ONE
FROM SEEING EACH OTHER BUT I
STILL BELIEVED TO THIS DAY, THIS
WAS THE BEST GUY THAT I MET ON
THE SHOW AND I AM MEANT THAT.
BUT I WAS GOING TO BE TRUE TO
MYSELF, IF IT WAS GOING TO WORK
OUT AND I DIDN'T AND IT FELT
SUPER WRONG FOR ME AND ZACK SO
TO HEAR THEM SAY IT WASN'T TRUE
FOR ME, THAT'S OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND.
I TREATED YOU SO POORLY.
NOBODY DESERVES TO BE TREATED
LIKE THAT AT ALL.
I BELITTLED YOU AND MADE YOU
FEEL REALLY SMALL AND I WAS
GOING THROUGH A LOT MENTALLY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AN EXCUSE
TO DO THAT BUT LOOKING BACK, I'M
SORRY.
I'M RAMBLING A LITTLE BUT I LOVE
YOUR GUYS' RELATIONSHIP.
LOVED SEEING IT UNFOLD.
IT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
IT MIGHT SOUND CHEESY BUT SEEING
ZACK BE SO LOVED BY YOU AND
SEEING THE THINGS I MAYBE DIDN'T
LIKE AND YOU TO JUST BE IN AWE
OF EVERYTHING HE DID, I HOPE
THAT FOR MYSELF TOO AND I MEAN
THAT FOR THE BOTH OF YOU.
>> Nick: DO YOU BELIEVE THE
WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF HER
MOUTH RIGHT NOW OR DO YOU STILL
HAVE SKEPTICISM?
THAT IS UP FOR YOU TO ANSWER.
>> YOU DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT
HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING
ME.
AND YOU ONLY SEE 10% OF IT ON
THE CAMERA.
THERE WAS SO MUCH STUFF THAT
HAPPENED THAT WAS JUST
UNBELIEVABLE.
IF WE ARE REAL.
YOU WENT ON THIS SHOW TO GET
FAMOUS.
[AUDIENCE REACTS]
BUT LOOK.
I FORGIVE YOU.
LIKE, I GENUINELY 100% FORGIVE
YOU, IRINA.
>> I DO TOO.
>> I REALLY DON'T HOLD ANYTHING
AGAINST YOU.
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE OUT HERE
THAT WANT TO ATTACK THE CAST ON
THIS SHOW.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
EVERYBODY WHO MADE A MISTAKE ON
THIS SHOW, IT HAS BEEN
PUNISHMENT ENOUGH FOR THE ENTIRE
WORLD TO SEE THEM AT THEIR
WORST.
TRUST ME.
IRINA, MICAH, EVERYBODY HERE, WE
ALL DID SOMETHING STUPID.
I 100% FORGIVE YOU, IRINA.
MY LAST COMMENT, I STAND ON
THAT.
I HAVE RECEIPTS.
THE ONLY RECEIPT I THINK THE
WORLD SHOULD SEE ARE THE ONES I
POSTED ON MY INSTAGRAM TODAY.
WITH THAT SAID, I REALLY
BELIEVE, IRINA, THAT YOU WILL
BECOME AN AMAZING PERSON ONE
DAY.
I BELIEVE THAT.
I MAY FORGIVE YOU FOR WHAT
HAPPENED AND I HOPE THE WORLD
DOES TOO.
[APPLAUSE]
>> WOW.
>> Nick: I CAN FEEL THE
EMOTION IN YOUR VOICE AND YOU
TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT I
THINK IT'S VERY TRUE, THE
EXPERIENCE THE ALL WENT THROUGH
IS ONE THAT IS SO UNIQUE THAT
MAYBE ONLY YOU ALL CAN
UNDERSTAND.
THEN YOU HAVE THE PERSPECTIVE OF
WATCHING IT BACK AND I THINK IN
THAT IS A GREAT LEARNING
OPPORTUNITY.
TO SEE MAY BE THE WAY THAT YOU
CAME OFF IN WAYS THAT YOU DIDN'T
NECESSARILY KNOW, IF THAT'S
TRUE, AND WE CAN ALL LEARN FROM
THOSE MOMENTS.
>> Vanessa: IRINA, YOU
MENTIONED WHEN YOU ARE TALKING
TO ZACK ABOUT WANTING TO BE TRUE
TO YOU AND THIS PROCESS AND
WANTING TO FIND LOVE BUT I
COULDN'T HELP BUT REMEMBER WHEN
YOU EVENTUALLY DID BREAK IT OFF
IN MEXICO AND YOU ARE BRUSHING
YOUR TEETH AND HE SAYS I'VE HAD
A TERRIBLE TIME.
AND YOU ASKED IF HE'D BEEN
THINKING ABOUT BLISS.
THE ENTIRE TIME.
YEAH, I WAS READY TO LEAVE THE
MOMENT I SAW YOU.
TIME OUT, REWIND.
DID SHE SAY THAT?
WHEN YOU SAW HIM IN THE REVEAL,
YOU ARE LIKE, AND I'M OUT.
BUT YOU CONTINUE TO GO ON?
STICK I WOULD LOVE TO THAT.
ZACK WAS MY TYPE ON PAPER.
LOOKS WISE.
IT WASN'T ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY
HE LOOKED.
PEOPLE ARE BOOING ME FOR THAT
THAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT LOOKS BUT
I KNOW THAT ZACK FELT THOSE SAME
INSTINCTS.
I FELT THAT WHEN I SAW YOU.
IT WAS WHAT I WAS PRAYING FOR.
I WENT INTO THIS THINKING IF
THERE IS A MOMENT OR SOMETHING
ISN'T RIGHT, I'M CUTTING IT OUT.
I WOULD HAVE TIMES IN THE MIDDLE
OF MY DATES, I WOULD LEAVE, THIS
ISN'T RIGHT.
DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT AND I WOULD
LEAVE SO I THOUGHT THAT WHEN I
SAW ZACK.
INSTANT ON COMFORT.
I FELT SCARED.
I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE.
NOT IN THE SENSE THAT I THOUGHT
HE WAS GOING TO HURT ME BUT IT
DIDN'T GO COMFORTABLE FOR ME.
I HAD A PANIC ATTACK AND I ASKED
TO GO HOME AND I SAID IT DOESN'T
FEEL RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
THEY ASKED ME, LET'S GO TO
MEXICO.
ABSOLUTELY, HE DESERVES THAT
100% BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO
CONTINUE.
I KNEW HOW HARD THAT FELT.
I WAS LIKE, THIS ISN'T GOING TO
WORK.
HE FELT IT TOO, 100% AND IT
STILL HURTS ME TO SAY THAT YOU
THINK I WENT ON THE SHOW TO GET
FAMOUS AND I THANK YOU FOR
FORGIVING ME BUT THAT WASN'T THE
REASON.
SO ME GOING TO MEXICO AS BEING
LIKE I'M GOING TO GIVE ZACK A
CHANCE IN THIS WHOLE TIME IT'S
ME GIVING HIM A CHANCE AND IN
REALITY I'M TREATING HIM LIKE
ABSOLUTE SHIT.
I DIDN'T HAVE A VOICE TO TELL
ZACK HOW I WAS REALLY FEELING.
ZACK IS AMAZING WITH HIS WORDS
THAT I FELT TRAPPED AND I
COULDN'T TELL THEM WHAT WAS
GOING ON WITH ME.
>> Vanessa: I DON'T THINK IT
WAS JUST WORDS.
A LOT OF ACTIONS.
PILLOWS OVER YOUR HEAD, EYE
ROLLS.
SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.
YOU SAID YOU GREW UP AND I WAS
WANTING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
BECAUSE YOU HAD A HARD TIME THE
PEOPLE WERE MAKING FUN OF YOU.
FOR ACNE AND YOU SAID FELT LIKE
A VICTIM BUT DO IT AND TO TREAT
PEOPLE LIKE THAT WAY, IT'S LIKE
IT WAS AN ACTUAL MALICIOUS
THOUGHT.
>> THE MOMENT WITH THE PILLOW
OVER MY FACE, WATCHING IT BACK,
IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE JERK MOVE.
I WAS LITERALLY HAVING A
PANIC ATTACK ON THE PILLOW.
I KEEP TALKING AND I WAS CRYING,
I LITERALLY WAS CRYING UNDER THE
PILLOW.
I COULDN'T TELL ZACK HOW I WAS
FEELING.
>> Nick: I DIDN'T HEAR BLISS'
POINT OF VIEW.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS
A DM SENT WHILE YOU WERE WITH
ZACK, TO BLISS, SAYING THAT YOU
DODGED A BULLET.
>> SHE DID SAY THAT.
>> I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING
THIS WAS A YEAR AGO.
IT IS A SMALL BLIP IN ME AND
ZACK'S LOVE STORY.
WE HAVE MOVED ON.
WE'VE ADDRESSED IT AND I DON'T
WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT MUCH
FURTHER BECAUSE I JUST DON'T
CARE ANYMORE.
THERE WAS A MESSAGE SENT AND WE
ALL KNOW IT.
YOU DID TELL ME WHEN YOU LANDED
IN MEXICO THAT I DODGED A BULLET
AND YOU TEXTED HIM, I'M SO
SORRY, LET'S TALK.
I HOPE SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH
YOU AND BLISS.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I THINK YOU CAN
HAVE PANIC ATTACKS AND YOU CAN
HAVE TROUBLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS
AND ALL THAT AND IT'S TOTALLY
VALID BUT YOU'RE TURNING AROUND
AND DOING MALICIOUS THINGS IN
YOUR ACTING AND REALLY CRUEL
WAYS.
IT'S HARD TO RECONCILE THOSE TWO
THINGS.
IT REALLY IS.
BUT AGAIN, I HOPE THAT YOU CAN
TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY AND THERE IS
TOO MUCH POWER AND TAKING
RESPONSIBILITY WHEN YOU DO
SOMETHING WRONG RATHER THAN
GIVING EXCUSES AND I HOPE YOU
CAN DO THAT AND I HOPE YOU CAN
MOVE FORWARD AND MOVE ON.
>> I DO WANT TO SAY, I WANTED TO
BRING IT UP, THAT I SENT YOU
THAT MESSAGE.
A FEW HOURS LATER OR A FEW DAYS
LATER, THAT WAS COMPLETELY OUT
OF LINE FOR ME TO SAY IT ALONG
WITH ZACK, A FEW DAYS OR HOURS
WHEN I GOT HOME AND HAVE TIME TO
PROCESS THINGS.
NOTHING I DID WAS OKAY.
THE WAY I WAS ACTING, THE WAY I
WAS TALKING.
I CAN'T SAY, I DON'T WANT TO
BLAME IT BEING A HUGE PART OF
MENTAL HEALTH BUT I TEXTED ZACK
AND I SAID I'M SO SORRY.
IT HIT ME, I'VE NEVER TREATED
SOMEONE SO POORLY AND I'M AT
THAT.
AND I DO APOLOGIZE.
>> Nick: BY THE WAY, I WANT TO
SAY I THINK YOU CAME ON HERE
TODAY KNOWING THIS WAS GOING TO
HAPPEN, TO SOME EXTENT AND I
WANT TO APPLAUD YOU FOR COMING
ON HERE AND CONFRONTING IT AND
DEALING WITH IT AND FOR WHATEVER
IT'S WORTH, APOLOGIZING FOR IT.
MICAH, BECAUSE IRINA AND PAUL
ALSO HAD SOME INTERACTION IN
MEXICO THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF.
YOU HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
HOW WAS THAT FOR YOU WATCHING
THOSE FLIRTY MOMENTS?
>> Vanessa: BECAUSE AT THAT
POINT, YOU GUYS WERE FRIENDS.
>> YEAH.
IT WAS HARD TO SEE OF COURSE.
I AM SURE IT WAS HARD TO SEE,
CHELSEA HAD TO SEE WITH KWAME
AND I.
I THINK WE BOTH DISRESPECTED OUR
PARTNERS AND WE DISRESPECTED
OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
I THINK THE ONLY THING BOTH OF
US CAN DO IS OWN UP TO IT AND
APOLOGIZE AND HOPE TO DO BETTER.
I THINK THE FACT THAT WE WERE
REALLY CLOSE MADE IT A LITTLE
HARDER, I FELT LIKE I WAS
BLINDSIDED.
IT MADE ME QUESTION A LOT OF
THINGS WITH PAUL AND THAT'S
PROBABLY WHAT HURT ME THE MOST.
>> Nick: PAUL, FOR YOUR PART
OF IT, HOW IS IT FOR YOU
WATCHING YOUR BACK?
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT
FLIRTING MOMENT AND WERE THERE
OTHERS THAT MAYBE HAPPENED OFF
CAMERA >> NO, THERE WEREN'T BUT
I WILL SAY THAT I THINK FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE, I WAS VERY SECURE.
IN OUR RELATIONSHIP.
I KNEW EXACTLY WHERE ZACK STOOD.
MICAH AND I HAD DELINEATED WHAT
THE BOUNDARIES WERE OF WHAT'S
OKAY.
IN TERMS OF FLIRTING AND WHAT IS
INFIDELITY.
PHYSICAL INTIMACY WAS THE
BOUNDARY AND I KNEW WHAT I WAS
WILLING TO DO AND I WASN'T IN
ITS FOR THE VERY SAME REASON I
WASN'T THREATENED WITH THE MICAH
AND KWAME FLIRTING SCENARIO.
WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE CAPABLE OF
DOING AND WHAT WE WERE GOING TO
DO AND WHAT WE WEREN'T.
>> Nick: SO THERE WAS A LINE
AND YOU DON'T FEEL THAT YOU
CROSS THAT LINE.
>> I KNEW THERE WAS NO DANGER IN
TALKING TO IRINA, FLIRTING,
WHATEVER.
THERE WAS NO DANGER OF EFFECTING
EITHER OUR RELATIONSHIP OR THEIR
RELATIONSHIP.
>> Vanessa: THE BEAUTY OF THIS
REUNION IS FOR YOU TO GET A
CHANCE TO SAY YOUR PIECE, CLEAR
THINGS UP.
RUMORS ABOUT BABS.
I'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS
VIDEO.
YOU ON THE INTERNET ARE SAVAGE.
Y'ALL FOUND A VIDEO AND YOU
SLOWED IT DOWN WHERE PAUL IS
LEAVING THE BRIDAL SUITE, YOU
PUT IN AN ERA WHERE HE IS TRYING
TO MOVE HIS WAY OUT OF THE
BRIDAL SUITE, TAPPING A LITTLE
BRIDESMAIDS TUSH.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS VIDEO
AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
>> OUR HISTORY IS HAZY.
LIKE DRIVING THE POURING RAIN.
ARE WE INTO DEEP?
>> Vanessa: THE MUSIC.
I WILL SAY THE BRIDESMAID SEEMED
TO LIKE IT, CLEARLY SHE WAS ONE
THAT WAS TEAM PAUL.
PAUL IS HERE NOW.
WHAT THE HECK?
SERIOUSLY.
>> TO IMPLY THAT I WAS ANYTHING
MORE THAN JUST ME GESTURING,
ACKNOWLEDGING THAT I WAS
SQUEEZING PAST HER, IT'S
LITERALLY ABSURD.
LITERALLY JUST WALKING OUT THE
DOOR.
GESTURING, HEY, SORRY I BUMPED
INTO YOU.
THAT WAS IT.
>> Vanessa: SORRY I BUMPED
INTO YOU.
>> Nick: YOU CAN BUMP INTO ME
ANYTIME.
>> Vanessa: ONE OF THE MOST
SHOCKING MOMENTS, SPEAKING OF
YOU, PAUL, WAS LEAVING MICAH
HEARTBROKEN AT THE ALTAR AFTER
SAYING NO.
MICAH, IF PAUL HAD SAID YES,
WOULD YOU GUYS BE MARRIED TODAY?
>> UM...
SORRY.
>> Vanessa: IT'S OKAY.
>> Nick: TAKE YOUR TIME.
>> Vanessa: I HAVE GOT THE
GOLDEN TISSUE BOX.
>> SORRY.
ALL OF THE PRESSURE HAS BEEN OFF
ME SO I KIND OF FORGOT I WAS
HERE.
YEAH, I MEAN.
I KNEW IN THAT MOMENT THAT THE
ONLY THING I COULD DO, WHEN I
WAS ASKED FIRST WAS TO GIVE PAUL
THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER FIRST
AND I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE
THINKS WHY I DID IT.
IT WAS MY LIFE AND MY
RELATIONSHIP AND A REAL MARRIAGE
THAT WAS ON THE LINE.
AND I KNEW THAT I WAS GOING TO
SAY YES.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND THE
REST OF OUR LIFE IF HE WAS TO
SAY YES, WONDERING IF HE DID IT
NOT TO EMBARRASS ME.
I NEEDED TO KNOW HE DID IT FOR
HIM AND THE ONLY WAY I COULD GET
THAT ANSWER WAS FOR HIM TO
ANSWER FIRST.
AND I'M HAPPY I DID.
>> Nick: PAUL, HOW DOES IT
MAKE YOU FEEL, KNOWING THAT SHE
WAS READY TO SAY YES?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S DIFFICULT I THINK.
IT'S ALWAYS MORE CLEAR IN
RETROSPECT.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> Nick: LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IF SHE HAD NOT KIND OF PUNTED TO
YOU, WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED
ANYTHING?
>> MY KNEE-JERK REACTION IS NO
BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN DOING
THINGS, MAKING DECISIONS BASED
ON OTHER PEOPLE.
I REALLY DO THINK THAT YOU
SHOULD OWN YOUR TRUTH AND THAT
SERVES BOTH PEOPLE IN A
RELATIONSHIP.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT I WOULD
HAVE BUT ALSO I DON'T KNOW WHAT
THAT FEELS LIKE.
TO HAVE YOUR PARTNER CHOOSING
YOU, SAYING YES, AFFIRMING YOU,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS
LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN'T SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY
IT WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED MY
ANSWER ABOUT MY KNEE-JERK
REACTION AS I WOULD'VE SAID THE
SAME THING.
>> Vanessa: MICAH, THERE WAS A
MOMENT AFTER YOU RAN OFF AND
THEY WERE INTERVIEWING PAUL THAT
HE SAID HE COULDN'T SEE MARRYING
YOU BECAUSE HE COULDN'T SEE YOU
AS A MOM.
WHEN YOU WATCH THAT, HOW DID
THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?
>> TERRIBLE.
I FELT LIKE IT WAS THE WORST
THING THAT COULD BE SAID ABOUT
ME.
>> Vanessa: BECAUSE YOU KNOW
YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT MOM
AND HE KNEW HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS
FOR YOU.
>> IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TALKED
ABOUT, HOW IMPORTANT HAVING A
FAMILY WAS TO ME.
MY MOM WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE CHILDREN.
THE FACT THAT WE EVEN SURVIVED.
IT WAS A MIRACLE.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY SIBLINGS.
I DIDN'T HAVE A BIG FAMILY AND
IT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS
WANTED SO BAD AND I HAVE SAID
THAT.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT.
WE EVEN HAD A DATE JUST A FEW
DAYS BEFORE OUR WEDDING.
HE SAID TO ME, HE WAS LIKE, WHAT
IF I DON'T WANT TO HAVE KIDS
DOWN THE LINE?
HE BROUGHT THAT TO ME AND I WAS
SO UPSET.
YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO
ME.
TO HEAR HIM SAY THAT, AND I'VE
NEVER HEARD THIS BEFORE.
HE HAS NEVER SAID THAT TO ME.
I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT.
AFTER THE WEDDING.
IT WAS A SHOCK.
IT HURT.
>> Vanessa: WHAT WAS IT THAT
MADE YOU SAY I CAN'T SEE HER AS
A MOM OR THE MOTHER TO MY
CHILDREN?
>> I THINK I PHRASE THAT REALLY
UNFAIRLY TOWARDS HER.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS A
REFLECTION OF WHAT SHE WAS
CAPABLE OF OR ANYTHING LIKE
THAT.
I THINK THE BETTER WAY TO PHRASE
IT WOULD'VE BEEN I CAN'T SEE US
AS PARENTS.
I COULDN'T ENVISION MYSELF, AS
SHE POINTED OUT, I COULDN'T
ENVISION MYSELF AS A FATHER JUST
AS MUCH AS I COULDN'T SEE IN
HER.
I WANT TO TAKE 100%
ACCOUNTABILITY AND
RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY HALF OF
THAT EQUATION.
I THINK IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT
THE REASON WHY I COULDN'T SEE
THAT IN HER WAS THAT I WASN'T
INSPIRING THAT IN HER.
SHE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH
SHOWING THAT SIDE OF HER.
>> Vanessa: I THOUGHT SHE SAID
SHE DID.
SHE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT.
FROM THE PODS UP TO YOUR
WEDDING.
>> WASN'T EVIDENT TO ME.
IN MY VISION OF THE FUTURE, THAT
WASN'T THERE.
YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT.
>> Vanessa: YOU WANTED
ACTIONS?
>> I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SEE
IT, I GUESS.
>> Vanessa: WHAT WOULD MAKE
YOU SEE THAT?
I'M SORRY.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND.
>> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT
INEFFABLE.
IT'S KIND OF IN EXUDING,
NURTURING PRESENCE.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL.
THERE'S NOT REALLY, LIKE,
TANGIBLE KIND OF THINGS I DON'T
THINK.
>> Nick: YOU DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH
OF A NURTURING PRESENCE?
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> I THINK SO.
THERE WAS SOME OF THAT.
LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SAYING THAT
THERE'S ANYTHING ABOUT HER THAT
IS NOT NURTURING.
I DIDN'T GIVE HER THE PROPER
INSPIRATION AND MOTIVATION TO
SHOW THAT SIDE OF HER.
>> Vanessa: MICAH, IS THIS
EXPLANATION MAKING SENSE AND
SETTLING WITH YOU?
ARE YOU AS CONFUSED AS I AM?
>> I'M JUST AS CONFUSED.
>> Vanessa: I DON'T MEAN IT
DISRESPECTFULLY.
I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE
DODGING AROUND THE ISSUE.
IF THERE WAS A SPECIFIC MOMENT
WHEN YOU ARE LIKE, THAT'S NOT
WHAT I SEE FOR A WIFE OR MOTHER?
OR YOU WERE DONE AT THAT POINT?
YOU DON'T LIKE THIS IS GIVING
YOU CLOSURE?
>> I MEAN, WHEN I SAW IT,
OBVIOUSLY I WAS HEARTBROKEN.
IT REALLY HURT AND I REACHED OUT
AND HE MADE ME FEEL LIKE I
UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
OKAY, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT THE WAY THEY ARE GOING BACK
AND FORTH, BACKPEDALING AND
SAYING ALL THESE DIFFERENT
THINGS, IT MAKES ME FEEL WORSE.
>> Vanessa: YOU KNOW WHAT'S
CRAZY?
YOU LOVE YOUR MOM AND I THOUGHT
MICAH AND YOUR MOM WERE LIKE,
DOPPELGAENGERS.
THEY GOT ALONG GREAT.
EVEN YOU SAID, WE HAVE THE SAME
HERE.
OH, MY GOD, THIS IS HAPPENING.
BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING
THAT YOU DIDN'T FIND IN HER.
>> SURE, YEAH.
THEY ARE AESTHETICALLY
DOPPELGAENGERS BUT OBVIOUS THE
EXTERNALLY DIFFERENT
INDIVIDUALS, PERSONALITY AND
CHARACTER WISE AND ALL OF THESE
THINGS.
THAT'S NOT TO STATES THAT THERE
WASN'T SOMETHING MISSING.
I THINK THAT PART OF IT IS TRUE.
BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF, IT IS
WHAT IT IS.
SOME PEOPLE CONNECT IN THAT WAY
AND ARE ABLE TO SHOW THAT.
THAT JUST WASN'T EVIDENT IN OUR
RELATIONSHIP AT THAT POINT IN
TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT
WASN'T SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVED
WAS JUST NEVER GOING TO OCCUR.
I THOUGHT THAT COULD BE
SOMETHING THAT WAS DEVELOPED
OVER TIME.
I WAS ENTIRELY OPEN TO THAT
OCCURRING.
BUT IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE
TIMELINE THAT WE HAD.
>> THEN WHY DID I NOT HEAR ABOUT
IT UNTIL FRIDAY?
I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT FROM YOU.
YOU'VE NEVER BROUGHT THAT UP TO
ME.
>> WE WERE DONE DATING LIKE 12
MONTHS AGO.
>> YOU DIDN'T TELL ME WHILE WE
WERE ENGAGED?
YOU DIDN'T TELL ME WE DATED
AFTER THE SHOW.
I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS UNTIL I
SAW IT ON TV.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO CRITICIZE
YOU.
OH, YOU NEED TO BE MORE
NURTURING.
THAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT
COMES ORGANICALLY.
>> IF IT IS THE REASON TO SAY NO
AT THE ALTAR, IT IS SOMETHING I
SHOULD'VE BEEN TOLD OR TALKED TO
ABOUT AND NOT BE BLINDSIDED.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
>> Vanessa: SURE, SACK.
>> I SPOKE TO PAUL THE NIGHT
BEFORE THE WEDDING.
HE WAS UP UNTIL, WE WERE TALKING
UNTIL 2:00 A.M. AT NIGHT.
>> Vanessa: PROBABLY VERY LONG
TALK BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU.
>> PAUL HAD NO IDEA.
HE WAS COMPLETELY TORN.
UP TO THAT POINT.
I CAN TELL YOU HOW LONG WE
TALKED ABOUT THE DECISION HE WAS
GOING TO MAKE.
I DON'T, I THINK HE WAS
GENUINELY 100% IN LOVE WITH
MICAH AND HE JUST DIDN'T FEEL
CONFIDENT IN MAKING A DECISION
THAT WAS GOING TO AFFECT THEM
FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE.
IT JUST FELT LIKE HE WASN'T
CERTAIN.
HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CERTAINTY.
I THINK I THINK THAT PEOPLE
THROW OUT HERE IS LIKE, THE
SHORT TIME.
LACK OF MAKING THAT DECISION.
AND, LIKE, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE
TO HAVE CONFIDENCE OR AT LEAST
ENOUGH CONFIDENCE TO TAKE A
JUMP.
PAUL REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
INCREDIBLY DEEPLY.
IT WASN'T SOMETHING HE WAS JUST
LIKE --
>> Vanessa: I DON'T THINK ANY
OF US TAKE FOR GRANTED.
WE DON'T THINK HE THREW IT TO
THE WIND BUT MICAH BROUGHT UP A
GOOD POINT THAT IF THAT'S THE
REASON OR THE BIGGEST REASON
THAT MAYBE YOU SAID NO I THINK
SHE'S RIGHT, SHE DESERVED TO
KNOW AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOVED
HER AS MUCH AS YOU SAW, ZACK,
AND SHE FELT.
SHE WAS ABOUT TO SAY YES.
>> I COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER
JOB COMMUNICATING THE THINGS I
FELT WERE MISSING.
>> Nick: DID YOU THINK SHE WAS
JUST INCAPABLE OF THAT?
WHY WOULDN'T YOU BRING IT UP?
>> I DON'T THINK SHE'S INCAPABLE
OF IT.
NOT ME DEMANDING YOU BE THIS WAY
FOR ME.
I APPRECIATE WHO YOU ARE AND
SEEING THAT.
YOU CAN'T JUST REQUEST PEOPLE TO
BE A CERTAIN WAY.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY
ARE.
THEN IF THEY DO THAT AND THEY
CHANGE THEMSELVES TO PLEASE YOU,
EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO
BEGIN TO RESENT THAT.
THAT FACADE IS GOING TO BREAK
DOWN AND THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING
TO RECOGNIZE THAT PERSON AND
THEN YOUR RELATIONSHIP WILL
DISSOLVE.
IT HAS TO BE ORGANIC.
IT HAS TO BE NATURAL.
>> Vanessa: I THINK ANOTHER
CHARACTER PEOPLE REMEMBER IS
MICAH'S FRIEND, SHELBY.
BEFORE I GET INTO ALL OF THAT,
DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK SHE WAS
RIGHT IN RETROSPECT WHEN SHE
SAID HE WASN'T THE RIGHT ONE FOR
YOU?
>> UM, I THINK A LOT OF SHELBY'S
CONCERNS LIED IN THE FACT THAT
THINGS ARE MOVING TOO QUICKLY.
SHE DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING
TO WORK AND SHE DIDN'T WANT ME
TO HAVE MY HEART BROKEN, WHICH
IT DID.
IN THAT WAY, I THINK SHE WAS
RIGHT.
I THINK SHE HAS A TERRIBLE
DELIVERY.
WHICH I UNDERSTAND.
I DO TOO.
BUT SHE NEVER, SHE NEVER WANTED
ME TO GET HURT.
THAT WAS THE BOTTOM LINE.
SHE NEVER WANTED ME TO RUN OFF
THE ALTAR CRYING.
SHE NEVER WANTED ME TO HAVE A
FAILED MARRIAGE, THAT'S WHERE SO
MUCH OF HER FEELINGS CAME FROM.
AND I THINK EVEN WHEN THEY FIRST
MET AT SHELBY'S BIRTHDAY PARTY,
I REMEMBER MY FRIENDS ASKED
PAUL, WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT
MICAH?
AND HE WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LOVE
ME.
I KNOW HE LOVES ME.
OR LOVED ME.
BUT A LOT OF THEIR CONCERN CAME
FROM, IT DIDN'T FEEL NATURAL.
HE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS EASY
FOR EITHER OF US AND WE ARE BOTH
TRYING TO GET THERE.
WE WERE SO IN LOVE BUT I DON'T
THINK WE KNEW WHAT THE FUTURE
LOOK LIKE.
SHE WAS CONCERNED THAT MARRIAGE
WOULD FAIL.
>> Vanessa: NOT TO CALL Y'ALL
OUT BUT WE ARE DOING REUNION AND
I SAW SOME WHISPERING, ZACK.
WHAT DID YOU TELL PAUL?
>> I'M GOING TO BE REAL HERE,
MICAH.
YOU ARE COMING AFTER PAUL.
THIS WHOLE TIME DURING THIS
ENTIRE TIME THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
ATTACKING YOU.
PAUL HAS TRIED TO MAKE PEACE
WITH YOU THIS ENTIRE TIME AND I
SEE YOU OVER THERE AND I
UNDERSTAND THIS IS HARD.
IT LOOKS LIKE --
YEAH, I'M SORRY.
IT MAKES ME REALLY ANGRY BECAUSE
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE HERE FOR
BLOOD AND IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S
APOLOGIZING OVER HERE, TAKING
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS.
WHAT I WHISPERED TO PAUL WAS,
WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEHIND
CAMERAS IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE
SEEING.
WHAT SHE WAS SAYING ABOUT PAUL,
PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME ABOUT THE
CONVERSATIONS THAT SHE HAD, IT
SOUNDS LIKE SHE NEVER WAS
TALKING ABOUT GETTING MARRIED TO
PAUL.
THERE ARE WOMEN HERE WHO HAVE
TOLD ME THAT AND JUST TO COME
OUT HERE AND TRY TO MAKE PAUL
LOOK LIKE THIS REALLY BAD GUY
THAT HE'S NOT.
>> I HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING
THAT.
>> YOU NEVER DEFENDED HIM IN THE
ENTIRE INTERACTION.
>> Vanessa: THERE'S A LOT TO
UNPACK.
>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.
WERE YOU THERE?
ME AND PAUL HAVE TALKED ABOUT
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHEN HE
MET HER FRIENDS.
WE HUNG OUT THE ENTIRE
EXPERIENCE, ALL THREE OF US.
WE WERE ALL FRIENDS.
YEAH, HE LOOKED TERRIBLE BUT YOU
WERE THERE.
YOU ARE NOT SOMEONE IS GOING TO
SIT HERE AND BELIEVE THE EDIT
PAIR YOU SAW HOW WEIRD SHIT
LOOKED FOR YOU.
I AM NOT HERE TO ATTACK PAUL.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD THAT
REALLY HURT AND UPSET ME, I JUST
FOUND OUT.
I AM NOT HERE TO ATTACK HIM.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M HURT AND I
WANT ANSWERS ABOUT THINGS THAT
I'D NEVER HEARD BEFORE.
>> Vanessa: ZACK, YOU SAID YOU
THINK SHE DIDN'T WANT TO MARRY
PAUL EVER?
>> THERE HAVE BEEN WOMEN WHO
HAVE TOLD ME THAT IN THE
CONVERSATIONS THEY HAD WITH HER,
VERY RARELY DID SHE MENTION
ACTUALLY GETTING MARRIED TO PAUL
PAUL.
>> Vanessa: WOMEN HERE.
THERE'S THREE, FOUR OTHERS.
I CAN COUNT.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE
SPOT AND MAKE YOU NAME NAMES
BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY A COLD
GOING ON BUT YOU ARE SAYING
CERTAINLY THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT
TO MARRY HIM.
>> IT WAS RARELY MENTIONED AND
IT SEEMS TO BE THE OPINIONS THAT
I'VE HEARD.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WHEN I
WAS IN THE CAR, FROM MY OWN
EXPERIENCES WITH MICAH, DRIVING
HER BACK.
SHE WOULD TALK PRETTY BADLY
ABOUT PAUL.
>> Vanessa: CAN I ASK?
WAS IT CHELSEA?
>> I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE
RELATIONSHIP.
>> I THINK THEY WERE GOING
THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE.
>> THERE WERE TIMES WHEN ME AND
ZACK, DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING
TO GET MARRIED?
WE ARE ON A TV SHOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.
SO MANY COUPLE SAID THEY DIDN'T
KNOW.
>> Vanessa: A TV SHOW THAT'S
CALLED "LOVE IS BLIND" WHERE YOU
SAY I DO OR I DON'T AT THE
ALTAR.
>> NOT KNOWING WHAT TO EXPECT.
>> Vanessa: WE HAVE SOME
CLARITY.
>> Nick: DID YOU TRY AND DATE
AFTER THE WEDDING DAY?
YOU DID?
>> Vanessa: YOU DID?
HOW LONG?
>> PRETTY BRIEF HERE IN SEATTLE.
SHE HAD TO GO BACK TO ARIZONA.
I VISITED HER IN ARIZONA.
BRIEFLY FOR LIKE A WEEKEND.
IT ENDED PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER
THAT.
>> Vanessa: OKAY.
I WILL SAY, AGAIN, YOU WENT
THROUGH IT AND WE WILL NEVER BE
ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE
SINCE SEASON 1 WE BEEN A LITTLE
BIT MORE REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S
YOUR JOURNEY.
ON ANOTHER SIDE I DON'T THINK A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE, MICAH,
THINKING THAT YOU'RE OUT FOR
BLOOD.
YOU WANT SOME ANSWERS AND YOU
ARE HURT AS WELL.
I THINK YOU HAVE SAID YOUR PIECE
AND WE THANK YOU FOR COMING ON
AND SHARING YOUR JOURNEY AND
BEING EXTREMELY VULNERABLE.
I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY, ESPECIALLY
THE FOURTH WALL OF SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> Nick: LET'S MOVE ON, TIME
TO TALK ABOUT OUR THIRD LOVE
TRIANGLE THIS SEASON, THAT IS A
TRIANGLE OF MARSHALL, JACKIE,
AND JOSH.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEMED LIKE JOSH
CAME OUT OF NOWHERE TO SWEEP
JACKIE OFF HER FEET BUT SPOILER
ALERT, IF YOU'RE NOT ON
SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY ARE STILL
VERY HAPPILY TOGETHER.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THIS
ALL STARTED WAY BACK IN THE
PODS.
CHECK IT OUT.
>> HOW IS IT GOING?
>> GOOD, HOW ARE YOU.
I WAS WORRIED ABOUT YOU.
>> WHAT'S GOOD WITH YOU?
I AM FINE.
I'M ALIVE.
HELLO.
I'M TRYING MY BEST.
HOW ARE YOU?
>> ALL RIGHT.
CHILLING.
>> AS SOON AS I HEAR YOUR VOICE,
I'M INSTANTLY COMFORTABLE.
THIS BIG, WE ARE FOR REAL, REAL
DOGGING.
YOU ARE EASY TO TALK TO, YOU ARE
FUNNY AS SHIT.
I LOVE OUR CONNECTION, FOR REAL.
>> IS IT A PROBLEM, I KNOW YOUR
OTHER GUY, HE'S VERY ROMANTIC
AND TOUCHY --
NOT TOUCHY-FEELY BUT JUST, I'M
NOT, LIKE, --
>> SOFT?
>> I'M NOT CRYING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> MAYBE YOU ARE JUST TOO HARD.
WE ARE BOTH SCARED.
I THINK WITH TIME, WE JUST HAVE
TO LEARN HOW TO GIVE OURSELVES
GRACE.
WE ARE SO HARD ON OURSELVES AND
WE HAVE TO JUST UNDERSTAND THIS
IS A HARD, LONG PROCESS.
IT'S A LONG ROAD.
IT'S ABOUT PERSONAL GROWTH TOO,
YOU KNOW?
>> YEAH BUT I DO WANT YOU TO
KNOW THAT I REALLY CARE ABOUT
YOU.
>> I CARE ABOUT YOU TOO.
>> I ENJOY EVERY MOMENT WITH YOU
YOU.
I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT JUST TO
SAY IT.
>> NO, I FEEL THE SAME.
>> WITH US, IT'S JUST NOT
FORCED.
>> IT COMES NATURAL.
LIKE POOP.
>> LET'S NOT GO THERE.
>> Vanessa: IT COMES NATURAL.
LIKE POOP.
>> Nick: EVERYBODY DOES IT.
>> Vanessa: JACKIE AND JOSH
ARE NOT WITH US TODAY BUT I WAS
ABLE TO CHAT WITH HIM YESTERDAY
OVER ZOOM.
TAKE A LOOK.
JACKIE AND JOSH, THANK YOU GUYS
SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO
JOIN US FROM SEATTLE.
YOU LOOK GOOD.
HOW ARE THINGS?
>> DOING GREAT.
>> Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DATING SINCE
THE SHOW ENDED?
>> CORRECT.
>> Vanessa: A YEAR UNDER YOUR
BELT.
THE JOURNEY YOU TOOK LAST YEAR
HAS NOW BEEN ON NETFLIX FOR
EVERYONE TO SEE.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY TO ALL
THOSE VIEWERS ABOUT THE SHOW IN
YOUR VOICE?
>> SO, I HAVE --
THE PERSON THAT I HAVE SEEN WAS
A TOTALLY DIFFERENT JACKIE, TO
BE HONEST.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOME
THINGS IF THAT'S FINE WITH YOU.
>> Vanessa: ABSOLUTELY.
>> OKAY.
I BROKE UP WITH MARSHALL BEFORE
I SAW JOSH AT THE COFFEE SHOP.
IT LOOKS LIKE I'M A CHEATER AND
I'M NOT A CHEATER.
>> Vanessa: I UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING.
EVERYONE WANTS TO TURN LEFT AND
RIGHT BUT AT THAT POINT BY THE
WEDDING DRESS, YOU KNEW.
YOU KNEW YOU WERE WEREN'T GOING
TO GO THROUGH WITH TRYING OUT AN
ADDRESS TO A MAN YOU WEREN'T
GOING TO WALK DOWN THE AISLE AND
EVEN CONTEMPLATE THE IDEA OF
MAYBE.
>> CORRECT.
>> Vanessa: DO YOU REMEMBER
THE MOMENT THAT MARSHALL PUSHED
YOU AND IT WAS THE LAST STRAW
THERE WAS LIKE, THAT'S IT, I'M
DONE?
>> I DO.
IT HAPPENED OFF-CAMERA.
WHEN WE WERE FILMING, FILLING
OUT THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE.
HE CALLED ME A DEROGATORY NAME.
WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND HE LEFT
FOR THREE DAYS.
I THINK WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS A
BAD JOKE.
IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE
WERE JOKING BUT IT JUST CAME OFF
AS BAD.
>> Vanessa: MARSHALL IS GOING
TO BE SITTING NEXT TO ME
TOMORROW DURING THE LIVE
REUNION.
IF YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING TO
HIM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO HIM?
>> YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I
TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR MY WORDS
AND ACTIONS AND I HOPE THAT HE
WOULD DO THE SAME.
I CAN TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
THE FACT THAT I WENT FROM 0 TO
100 REALLY QUICK AND I CAN SIT
HERE AND SAYING THAT I SHOULD
HAVE HEARD HIM.
I SHOULD'VE LET HIM SPEAK
WITHOUT BEING ON THE DEEP END.
WE WERE NOT MEANT TO BE AND WE
DESERVE TO BE HAPPY.
>> Vanessa: YOU KNOW WHY
YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO BE A
QUESTION MARK YOU HAVE THE GUY
NEXT TO YOU.
YOU KEPT THE RING.
>> YES, MA'AM, I HAVE THE RING.
>> Vanessa: WHY DO YOU THINK
HE WANTED A FACT?
YOU CAN BE COMPLETELY CANDID?
>> MARSHALL WANTED THE RING BACK
BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PROPOSE TO
ANOTHER CASTMATE.
>> AND BROKE UP TWO WEEKS AFTER
PRODUCTION STOPPED.
>> Vanessa: GUESTS WHO DIDN'T,
JACKIE AND JOSH.
JOSH, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY
ABOUT YOUR ROLE IN THIS LOVE
TRIANGLE?
>> I'M NOT THE TIME TO --
TYPE TO TEXT SOMEBODY OR HIT
THEM UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
I WILL SAY TO YOUR FACE.
AT CHELSEA'S BIRTHDAY PARTY, I
WAS LIKE HECK YEAH.
I WAS CUTTING A LOT OF WEIGHT, I
HAD 18 POUNDS TO CUT FOR THIS
COMPETITION.
I HAD CUT 12 AT THE TIME.
I WAS THINKING, LOVE IS BLIND
BUT LOVE IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR.
>> Vanessa: WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT CUTTING THE WEIGHT, THEN
YOU WERE DRINKING AT A PROPERLY
MADE YOU LITTLE...
>> YES.
>> Vanessa: JOSH, YOU KNOW YOU
DON'T DRINK ON AN EMPTY STOMACH.
[LAUGHS]
IT'S MY ONE CHANCE.
WHEN YOU SAW HIM, DID YOU KNOW,
THAT'S JOSH?
>> HONESTLY, I DIDN'T SEE HIM.
I HEARD HIS VOICE AND I HAVE
PTSD.
JOSH'S VOICE IS SO DISTINCT.
SEEING HIM AND CONNECTING THE
VOICE WITH THE FACE, IT WAS KIND
OF LIKE WOW.
>> Vanessa: IT GAVE YOU ALL
THE FIELDS.
>> EXACTLY.
>> Vanessa: I WANT TO KNOW, AS
THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, WHAT'S
NEXT FOR JACKIE AND JOSH?
ARE WE THINKING MARRIAGE?
ARE WE THINKING LITTLE J.J.S?
>> WE ARE TAKING OUR TIME WITH
EVERYTHING.
LIFE COMES AT YOU FAST AND WE
DON'T WANT TO RUSH ANYTHING.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T RUSH LOVE.
WE LIVE TOGETHER NOW.
WE'VE GOT A DOG.
WE'VE GOT A FISH.
>> Vanessa: YOU HAVE A DOG?
>> YEAH, I AM GIRL DAD.
>> AND I'VE GOT A FISH NAMED
RICK.
>> Vanessa: I LOVE IT.
I LOVE IT.
JACKIE AND JOSH, THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR DOING THIS AND SHARING
SO MUCH WITH US.
WE ARE SO HAPPY THAT THROUGH ALL
OF THE DRAMA, YOU GUYS FOUND
EACH OTHER.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
TAKE IT EASY.
GOODBYE.
>> Vanessa: I'M GOING TO LET
THAT MARINATE FOR A MINUTE.
THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON HERE IN
THE AUDIENCE.
>> Nick: A LOT GOING ON ON THE
STAGE.
>> Vanessa: THE ONLY PERSON
THAT WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S
GOING ON IN HIS HEAD IS
MARSHALL.
>> WHAT'S UP?
>> Vanessa: HAY.
OH, I GOT SOME EYEBROW ACTION.
>> A LOT OF EYEBROW ACTION.
WHAT'S UP, WHAT'S HAPPENING?
>> Vanessa: WHAT DO YOU WANT
TO SAY AFTER WATCHING THAT
VIDEO?
>> FIRST OF ALL, A LOT HAPPENED
IN THAT VIDEO.
LET'S SAY THAT.
I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
WANT ME TO BE REACTIONARY.
I THINK THAT IT'S JUST BEST TO
JUST LET THEM HAVE THEIR MOMENT.
THERE'S A LOT TO SEE AND THERE'S
A LOT TO THINK BACK ON.
IT'S HARD TO WATCH A VIDEO,
HOWEVER LONG IT WAS, TWO OR
3 MINUTES, AND TALK TO EACH
POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
BECAUSE I CAN'T QUITE RECOLLECT
WHAT HAPPENED IN THE VIDEO.
IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN I'M HERE
TALKING TO SOMEBODY.
>> Vanessa: SINCE THEY AREN'T
HERE, SHE SAID SHE NEVER CHEATED
ON YOU.
SHE BROKE UP WITH YOU BEFORE SHE
HAD THE DATE WITH JOSH.
THAT WAS THE FIRST POINT SHE
MADE.
>> OKAY.
>> Vanessa: THAT'S ALL YOU
HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT WAS
BEFORE OR THE DAY AFTER.
YOU ARE KISSING A NEW DUDE
IMMEDIATELY AFTER YOU JUST BROKE
UP WITH SOMEBODY AND I WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE, WHAT?
>> Vanessa: ARE YOU COMPLETELY
BLINDSIDED THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT
THIS TO WORK OUT OR DID YOU KNOW
THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, THIS
ISN'T WORKING OUT?
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT
I FEEL LIKE HAPPENED BETWEEN
JACKIE AND MYSELF THAT IT WOULD
HAVE INEVITABLY GOTTEN TO THAT
POINT.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO
REALIZE IS THAT'S JUST THE
NORMAL EBB AND FLOW OF A
RELATIONSHIP.
THERE'S GOING TO BE TOUGH TIMES
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE GREAT
TIMES.
>> Vanessa: YOU WOULD HAVE
MADE AND ALL THE WAY TO THE
ALTAR?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I SET IT TO HER IN MEXICO.
I HAVE RUN AWAY FROM STUFF
BEFORE AND I WAS NOT GOING TO DO
IT.
>> Nick: YOU DON'T THINK
YOU'RE SPLITTING WAS FOR THE
BEST?
YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE FIGURED
IT OUT AND HAD A SUCCESSFUL
MARRIAGE?
>> THAT'S A TWOFOLD QUESTION.
MAKING IT TO THE ALTAR.
MAKING IT TO THE ALTAR IS THE
PRECIPICE OF THIS ENTIRE
EXPERIMENT, THAT WAS TAKEN FROM
ME.
BEING ABLE TO HAVE A DECISION IN
THAT MOMENT, I FEEL LIKE I
WASN'T ABLE TO HAVE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD HAVE
SAID.
BUT NOW IT'S JUST, I MEAN, BACK
THEN, THERE WAS NO QUESTION TO
ANSWER.
THERE WAS NO, WILL YOU SAY I DO?
>> Nick: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU WOULD HAVE SAID BUT YOU KNOW
YOU WOULD'VE MADE IT TO THAT
POINT?
>> YEAH, AND I GAVE IT A LOT OF
THOUGHT.
>> Vanessa: ANOTHER THING SHE
SAID IN THE VIDEO, THERE WAS A
DEROGATORY, THAT WAS MADE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING
ABOUT?
>> I DO.
>> Vanessa: SHE ALLEGES.
WAS IT TRUE?
I LOOKED OVER AND YOU HAD ALL
KIND OF EYEBROW ACTION.
>> THIS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
JOKING WITH SOMEONE AND BEING
ABLE TO MOVE ON FROM IT IF
THERE'S A PRESSURE POINT.
BEING ABLE TO --
JOKING WITH SOMEONE AND TAKING
THAT OUT OF CONTEXT.
SPINNING IT AND TELLING EVERYONE
THAT I SAID THAT IT WAS A TERM
WHERE AS THOUGH I FEEL LIKE WE
BOTH WERE MAKING JABS AND SOME
OF THOSE JABS SHE WASN'T JOKING.
HER TEXT MESSAGES THAT WERE
LEAKED, SHE THOUGHT THAT WAS
TRUE.
IN HER HEART, SHE FELT LIKE
WHATEVER SHE SAID TO ME IN THAT
MOMENT WAS TRUE.
>> Vanessa: FOR PEOPLE THAT
DON'T UNDERSTAND, THERE WERE
SOME TEXTS TO HER FRIEND LEAKED
AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU IN
A WAY THAT WAS NOT KIND.
NOT NOT KIND, MORE LIKE OH,
YEAH, GO CHECK IT OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS WRONG.
BUT WE WANT TO KNOW YOUR PART IN
THIS.
YOU SAID IT WAS FROM BOTH OF
YOU.
>> YEAH.
>> Vanessa: WHAT'S THE CONTEXT
OF WHAT YOU SAID THAT WAS
DEROGATORY THAT SHE COMPLETELY
MISUNDERSTOOD?
>> YEAH, AND SO JACKIE'S
COMMENTS WERE MADE TO ME WERE,
SHE WAS CALLING ME SWEET.
>> Vanessa: WE SAW THOSE.
>> I FELT LIKE IT WAS MY TURN TO
MAKE A JAB.
I SAID, YOU'VE GOT A STRONG JAW
LINE.
YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A MAN, FOR
ALL I KNOW.
IT WAS WRONG, I KNOW.
IT WAS WRONG.
>> Vanessa: DID YOU SAY THIS
WHILE Y'ALL WERE SIGNING YOUR
MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE?
>> NO, NO, NO, THIS WAS THE
NIGHT BEFORE WE MET MY FAMILY.
I HOLD MYSELF ACCOUNTABLE IN
THAT MOMENT I KNEW IT WAS WRONG
BECAUSE SHE TOOK IT VERY CLEAR
OFFENSE TO IT.
I KNEW, I ALWAYS HOLD MYSELF
ACCOUNTABLE FOR STUFF IN THE
MOMENT AND EVEN IN THE MORNING
AFTER I HELD MYSELF ACCOUNTABLE
AND I SAID THIS WILL NEVER
HAPPEN AGAIN.
WE ARE LEARNING EACH OTHER.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT EACH
OTHER'S TRIGGERS ARE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A SAFE SPACE
BECAUSE SHE IS COMING TO ME,
CALLING ME OUT OF MY OWN
SEXUAL PREFERENCE.
>> Vanessa: SHE WAS SAYING IT
TO YOU.
>> Nick: BOTH OF YOU WERE
JOKING BUT IT WENT TOO FAR?
>> IT WENT TOO FAR AND I TAKE
FULL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT.
>> Vanessa: I DON'T KNOW HOW
I'D FEEL IF YOU TALKED LIKE THAT
ABOUT ME.
>> IT WAS DEFINITELY WRONG I
TAKE A CUT ABILITY FOR THAT.
HOWEVER, I DID NOT SAY A
SPECIFIC TERM.
>> Vanessa: YOU DIDN'T USE A
DEROGATORY TERM?
>> I DIDN'T USE A DEROGATORY
TERM.
>> Vanessa: WHICH WE WILL BE
SAYING TODAY HERE.
>> NOT SEE THAT --
SAY THAT WORD.
THAT WORD IS NEEDED IN MY
VOCABULARY.
>> Vanessa: ANOTHER THING, I'M
DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T
REMEMBER THE VIDEO.
THE OTHER THING SHE MENTIONED,
THE RING.
THE RING HEARD ROUND THE WORLD.
THE DAMN RING.
WHEN I ASKED HER, THAT'S NOT THE
RESPONSE I THOUGHT I WAS GOING
TO GET.
SHE WAS VERY HELL-BENT ON SAYING
YOU WANTED TO PROPOSE TO
SOMEBODY AND STAY ON THE SHOW
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT YOU AGAIN,
YOU ARE LIKE, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT?
>> THE REASON WHY I ASKED FOR
THE RING BACK WAS BECAUSE IT WAS
A SIMPLE OF MY LOVE --
A SYMBOL OF MY LOVE.
WE PICKED OUT THOSE RINGS MY
LOOKED AT THE RING AND I SAID,
THAT'S FOR HER.
I FEEL LIKE SHE DIDN'T DESERVE
TO HAVE THAT SYMBOL OF MY LOVE.
[APPLAUSE]
AND ULTIMATELY I DID NOT WANT TO
PROPOSE TO ANYBODY ELSE.
THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
THAT'S REALLY WILD THAT SHE
WOULD THINK THAT, BECAUSE SHE
WAS LITERALLY THE ONLY PERSON
THAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT IN THE
PODS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
THAT IS THE WEIRDEST THING TO
ME, THAT SHE WOULD THINK I'M
TRYING TO PROPOSE TO SOMEBODY
ELSE, I'M GOING TO KEEP THE
RING.
>> Vanessa: BUT YOU DID DATE
SOMEONE ELSE AND YOU SPOKE ABOUT
THIS.
WHEN DID YOU START DATING HER?
AND WHICH CAST MEMBER?
>> LET'S CALL A SPADE A SPADE.
HOW MANY DATES DO YOU CLASSIFY
DATING?
BECAUSE WE WENT ON ONE SINGULAR
DATE.
ALTHOUGH WE WERE TALKING BACK
AND FORTH, TEXTING.
BACK IT UP.
KEISHA SENT ME A BEAUTIFUL VOICE
MESSAGE THE DAY THAT ME AND
JACKIE BROKE UP.
>> Vanessa: HOW DID SHE KNOW?
>> SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> Vanessa: BECAUSE JACKIE
POSTED SOMETHING.
I AM PUTTING IT TOGETHER NOW.
>> IT WAS PRETTY MUCH KNOWN
THROUGHOUT THE CAST THAT WE HAVE
BROKEN UP.
>> Vanessa: SO SHE CAME IN?
>> NO NOT NECESSARILY BUT WE HAD
A CONNECTION IN THE PONDS AND IF
YOU LIKE THAT WAS WHO SHE IS.
VERY CARING AND LOVING PERSON
AND SHE DID THAT OUT OF THE
KINDNESS OF HER HEART.
I WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW
ARE YOU DOING?
LET'S TALK.
WE EXPLORED IT.
I COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE
I WANTED TO DISTANCE MYSELF FROM
THAT HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE THAT I
HAD.
I NEEDED TIME TO WORK ON MYSELF.
>> Nick: MARSHALL, SHE SAID
QUITE A BIT IN THAT VIDEO BUT
SHE ALSO SAID QUITE A BIT ON
SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER WAYS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT
TO SAY TO JACKIE?
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT
CAMERA?
ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO GET
OFF YOUR CHEST, CORRECT, SAY TO
JACKIE?
>> THERE'S A LOT I WOULD LIKE TO
SAY.
HOWEVER, I FEEL LIKE WE BOTH
DESERVE TO MOVE ON FROM THIS.
THE WHOLE YOU VERSUS ME THINK
NEEDS TO DIE.
IMMEDIATELY.
NOT JUST BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO
BE A NEED TO CLEAR YOURSELF OR
DEFEND YOURSELF.
YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE
SOMETHING SHAKE BETWEEN US.
YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING
OUT OF NOTHING AND IT NEEDS TO
STOP BECAUSE IT'S CAUSING MORE
DAMAGE THAN GOOD.
I DON'T HAVE FEELINGS.
I HAVE NOT HAD FEELINGS FOR A
YEAR.
I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A TRUCE.
>> Vanessa: TRUCE?
THANK YOU.
KIND OF HAVING A ONE-SIDED
CONVERSATION.
>> DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY ARE
NOT HERE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
>> Vanessa: HOW DO YOU FEEL?
>> SLIGHTED.
FOR THE SECOND TIME IN THIS
EXPERIMENT, I'VE BEEN SLIGHTED,
ONCE AT THE ALTAR AND NOW AT THE
REUNION.
>> Vanessa: PUTTING IN
CONSIDERATION THE WOMAN YOU WERE
GOING TO MARRY, OR FEELINGS?
>> 100%.
THAT'S A LOT THAT'S GOING INTO
THIS AND I'M GOING TO DIRECT US
TO THE PUBLIC.
AT THIS POINT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT
JACKIE AND MARSHALL ANYMORE.
LET THAT BE BYGONES.
FOCUS, LET THEM MOVE ON.
LET ME MOVE ON.
FORGET IT.
JACKIE AND JOSH ARE HAPPY.
I'M HAPPY.
LET IT DIE.
>> Nick: SPEAKING OF MOVING ON
ON.
>> Vanessa: HEY, IT'S TIME TO
MOVE ON.
>> Nick: WE ARE GOING TO GET
BACK TO SALIVATING THE KEY
INGREDIENT OF THIS
"LOVE IS BLIND" EXPERIMENT WHICH
IS OF COURSE THE LOVE.
WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO
CELEBRATING THE KEY INGREDIENT.
HERE'S A TASTE OF WHAT MARRIED
LIFE IS LIKE WITH OUR COUPLES
TODAY.
CHECK IT OUT.
>> WELCOME.
NETFLIX CRIB.
THIS IS THE EVOLUTION OF THE
SHOE WALL THAT YOU MAY HAVE GOT
A SNEAK PEEK AT ON THE SHOW.
AS YOU CAN SEE PROBABLY ABOUT
TWICE AS BIG BECAUSE I CAN'T
STOP BUYING THEM.
THERE ARE SOME PICTURES HERE.
YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THESE FROM THE
SHOW.
THESE ARE THE PORTRAITS THAT I
SHOT OF TIFFANY IN SEATTLE.
THIS IS OUR LIVING ROOM.
WE GOT, WE ARE ABOUT TO HAVE
SOME BREAKFAST.
>> WELCOME TO BREAKFAST AT
TIFFANY'S.
WE USUALLY JUST START OFF OUR
DAY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF YOGURT,
SOME GRANOLA.
BUT THIS IS A SPECIAL DAY
BECAUSE YOU ARE IN OUR HOME.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MIMOSAS.
CHEERS TO US.
CHEERS TO THE BROWNS.
>> DON'T HIT ME.
>> HOLD UP.
THIS IS AWKWARD.
[CORK POPS]
>> HELLO, WELCOME TO OUR HUMBLE
ABODE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
>> HERE'S THE ENTRY TO OUR HOME.
WE'VE GOT DOG TOYS EVERYWHERE.
>> EVERYWHERE.
>> HERE'S THE MONEY SPACE,
HERE'S OUR LIVING AREA.
WE LOVE THIS.
WE HAVE ALMOST PANORAMIC VIEW OF
SEATTLE, THE PUGET SOUND.
PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, WHERE IS
THE PINK?
YOU CAN SEE IT, HERE IS MY
FAVORITE CORNER.
I CALL IT MY HAPPY CORNER.
THESE CHAIRS GIVE ME LIFE.
KWAME'S COUCH, EVERYBODY.
KWAME'S GUITAR.
WE'VE GOT COOL SHELF.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OUR PHOTOS.
THE FIRST PHOTO WE EVER TOOK
TOGETHER.
>> HERE WE ARE IN THE BEDROOM.
THIS IS OUR BATHROOM BUT
PRIMARILY CHELSEA'S.
I PRAYER PRIMARILY USE THE ONE IN THE
OFFICE.
>> ANY MARRIAGE TIP, GET YOUR
OWN BATHROOM.
>> I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING IT
OUT FOR YOU ALL.
I PUT IT OR I KEEP IT UNDER THE
TOP PART OF THIS OR UNDER MY
PILLOW.
THAT IS BABA'S HOME.
>> THINK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> GOOD NIGHT.
>> WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SHARE
WITH YOU A LITTLE SONG THAT I
WROTE FOR BLISS ON
VALENTINE'S DAY.
>> SPARKLY, SHINY THING.
SO SWEET.
>> [SINGING]
WHEN I'M WITH YOU, THEY ARE ALL
I SEE.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE NO...
GIRL, YOU'RE ALL THAT'S IN MY
DREAM.
[SINGING]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
[LAUGHTER]
>> [LAUGHS]
>> SLEEPING BEAUTY IS STILL HERE
HERE.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>> Vanessa: SO MANY FEELS AND
THAT LITTLE MONTAGE.
I'VE GOT TO SAY FIRST OF ALL I'M
SITTING HERE NEXT TO TIFFANY AND
SHE'S LIKE, I DON'T REMEMBER
THIS VIDEO.
BUT I'VE GOT TO SAY, TIFFANY,
YOU WAKE UP SO BEAUTIFULLY AND
DELICATE.
WHEN HE COMES TO WAKE YOU UP.
>> SHE IS LIKE THE DISNEY
VILLAIN.
>> Vanessa: YOU ARE SO
GRACEFUL AND SO BEAUTIFUL.
I LOVED WATCHING EVERYTHING THAT
VIDEO.
I GOT A LITTLE EMOTIONAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER
ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE CAME INTO
THE POTS ON THE WOMEN'S SIDE,
THEY WERE LIKE, MOM AND DAD.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE
TWO.
I FEEL REALLY EXCITED AND PROUD
AND I'M NOT TAKING OWNERSHIP BUT
WHEN I SEE THE THREE COUPLES
TOGETHER MARRIED AND VACATIONING
TOGETHER, MATCHING BATHING
SUITS.
DOING MUSIC MONTAGES.
AUNTIE VANESSA IS STILL HOPING
FOR THAT "LOVE IS BLIND" BABY.
>> Nick: ZACK, NICE JOB ON THE
SONG.
>> Vanessa: CHELSEA, YOU SAID
MARRIAGE ADVICE.
KEEP YOUR OWN BATHROOM.
YOU ALSO SAID KWAME'S COUCH IS
HERE.
IS THAT THE SLEEP COUCH?
>> IT IS STILL THE SAME COUCH.
>> IT'S THE SAME COUCH AT MY OLD
PLACE.
BRETT AND I HAVE THE SAME COUCH.
>> Vanessa: DO YOU SLEEP ON
THAT COUNT?
>> NO.
THROUGHOUT MY SINGLE LIFE, WHEN
I WOULD BE AT HOME.
WHEN I WAS AT HOME, I WOULD
TRAVEL A LOT.
I WOULD SLEEP ON THE COUCH A
LOT.
I DON'T KNOW.
ONCE A WEEK OR SOMETHING.
>> Nick: EVEN IN MARRIED LIFE
WE HAVE TO SLEEP ON THE COUCH
FROM TIME TO TIME.
IT STILL HAPPENS.
>> ONE THING I DO, IF I SPEND
THE NIGHT ON THE COUCH, I WAKE
UP BEFORE SHE DOES.
>> Vanessa: AND YOU CRAWL IN
BED.
I LIKE THAT.
QUICK QUESTION.
I DIDN'T GET TO ASK EARLIER
ABOUT CLARIFYING, IT'S A LONG
BEAUTIFUL NAME AND YOU SAID IT
SO BEAUTIFULLY WHEN YOU ARE
DOING YOUR VOWS, I LOVED THAT
YOU ADDRESSED HIS ENTIRE NAME.
KWAME, DID YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT?
>> THERE WAS A MOMENT WHEN I
SAID I WANTED TO INTRODUCE
MYSELF AS ALEX.
BUT IT'S KWAME.
I'M SO PROUD OF MY NAME BUT FOR
SOME REASON THAT WASN'T IN
THERE.
THAT WAS ME MENTIONING THAT,
BEFORE I WENT ON AND I TALKED TO
THE PRODUCER AND TALKED ABOUT
HOW TO APPROACH THE EXPERIMENT
IN THE RIGHT WAY, WE TALKED
ABOUT MAYBE NOT TALKING ABOUT
RACE OR COLOR FOR THE FIRST FEW
DAYS AND SO MY THOUGHTS WERE, IS
THERE A WAY I CAN MAKE SURE THAT
I HONOR THIS EXPERIMENT FOR
EVERYBODY IN IT.
IF I GO BY MY FIRST NAME MAYBE
IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT WAY
I'M NOT WALKING IN, HEY, KWAME
OF PEOPLE TRYING TO PUT ME IN AN
AREA WHERE THEY ARE PREJUDGING.
IT HELPS EVERYBODY TAKE THE BEST
OUT OF THE EXPERIMENT.
IT'S LIKE, MY NAME IS SO
IMPORTANT TO ME.
I HAVE ALWAYS GONE BY KWAME
UNTIL I SAW THE NEGATIVE
REACTION TO WHAT I NEEDED TO
CLEAR IT UP.
I LOVE WHO I AM.
I LOVE MY NAME.
THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
>> Vanessa: I WANT TO SAY
THEIR FOOT IS DOWN.
THE MAN HAS SPOKEN.
BARBARA IS HIS SISTER.
CHELSEA, WHO LOOKS LIKE A
BEAUTIFUL PINK BARBIE, HAS MET
HIS MOTHER AND HIS NAME IS
PROUDLY ALEX KWAME.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
>> Nick: IT IS SO OBVIOUS
BECAUSE WE ARE SITTING RIGHT
NEXT TO YOU HOW HAPPY YOU ARE
TOGETHER, HOW SPECIAL THIS YEAR
HAS CLEARLY BEEN FOR YOU BUT
I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU, ARE YOU AT
ALL SURPRISED BY SOME OF THE
REACTIONS OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE SHOCKED AND SURPRISED
THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY NO --
>> I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU ASKED.
>> Nick: THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>> I WILL SAY THIS.
I FEEL THAT WOMEN FEEL THE NEED
TO EXPLAIN, TO SAY THEY'RE
SORRY, TO DEFEND.
WOMEN NEED TO FEEL EMPOWERED TO
MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEST FOR
THEMSELVES, PERIOD.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DID FOR ME AND
THAT'S WHAT I DID FOR US.
AND I'M SO HAPPY THAT I DID AND
I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER.
MARRIAGE IS NOT EASY.
WE HAVE LEARNED THAT.
[LAUGHTER]
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'LL SAY, IT'S
WORTH IT.
IT'S WORTH IT.
I WANTED SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO
MEET ME WHERE I WAS EMOTIONALLY.
AND KWAME DOES THAT ANY ALSO
CHALLENGES ME TO BE BETTER THAN
I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY IN MY
WHOLE LIFE DO THAT FOR ME.
>> Vanessa: I REALLY DO
BELIEVE, I HATE TO SAY IT BUT
IT'S UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE JUST
WANT TO HATE WHEN YOU'RE SO
HAPPY AND WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU
WANT.
YOU SAID IT AND YOU WENT FOR IT
BUT PEOPLE FORGET ALEX KWAME IS
A GROWN-ASS MAN AND IF HE WANTS
THE WOMAN, HE'S GOING TO GET
HER.
HE WANTS THIS WOMAN AND HE
MARRIED THIS WOMAN AND SHE
WANTS.
WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO PEOPLE?
YOU KIND OF SET IT BEAUTIFULLY
ON YOUR INSTAGRAM AND I LOVE
THAT.
YOU KNOW THAT THIS JOURNEY, YOU
FELL IN LOVE.
>> I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING
THAT BLISS SAID EARLIER, WHAT
YOU'RE SEEING WAS LITERAL GOOD
LESS THAN 1%, DAB ON WHAT OUR
ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN.
WHAT WE GOT TO EXPERIENCE
TOGETHER WAS WHAT KEPT US MOVING
FORWARD, WHAT HELPED US FALL IN
LOVE SEWN A MANNER WHEN ANYONE
SAW, NO MATTER ANY DEPICTIONS OR
WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE
WERE MADLY IN LOVE.
THERE WAS A LOT MORE.
THE DECISION THAT I HAD TO MAKE
WAS NOT ACTUALLY SEATTLE VERSUS
GETTING MARRIED.
IT WAS, I HAD A MUCH DIFFERENT
LIFE.
I WAS A NOMAD.
I USED TO LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE
COUNTRY FOR SIX MONTHS A YEAR
AND IT WAS A DIFFICULT LIFE TO
THINK ABOUT TRANSITIONING FROM
BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS SO
BEAUTIFUL.
CHELSEA AND I SAT DOWN AND
TALKED ABOUT TRANSITIONING FROM
THAT LIFE AND SHE CAME AT IT IN
SUCH A BEAUTIFUL, EMPATHETIC,
AND CARING WAY I KNEW IF I PUT
THAT LIFE ASIDE AND I MARRIED MY
DREAM GIRL, WE WOULD FIND THAT
LIFE AGAIN AND IT WOULD ALL BE
WORTH IT.
>> Nick: CAN I SAY SOMETHING
TO ALL OF YOU?
THIS IS TRUE FOR EVERYBODY.
WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS
AND PUT YOURSELF ON TV AND
PEOPLE WATCH, THEY FEEL ENTITLED
TO HAVE AN OPINION AND THAT'S
FAIR BECAUSE IT'S TELEVISION.
BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE TRUTH AND
THAT'S THE TRUTH THAT YOU ALL
LIVE EACH AND EVERY DAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF
NOISE OUT THERE, A LOT OF TALK.
LIVE YOUR TRUTH.
TRUE FOR EVERY ONE OF YOU.
LIVE YOUR TRUTH AND YOU'RE GOING
TO BE FINE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
[APPLAUSE]
>> Vanessa: ABSOLUTELY.
MARSHALL.
>> I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
GRACE THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO
EVERYONE HERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT
WAS SAID, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING,
AND WHAT WE ARE ALL HEARING.
IT DOESN'T MATTER REALLY IT
DOESN'T IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF
THINGS BECAUSE WE ALL PUT
OURSELVES OUT THERE AND NO
MATTER IF IT'S IRINA, MICHAEL,
MYSELF, ANYONE ON THIS SIDE,
THESE GUYS HERE, THIS IS ALL
ABOUT LOVE AND IT'S NEVER
SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THIS DRAMA,
HELL-BENT ON FIGHTING.
THIS IS ABOUT THESE TWO HERE,
THOSE TWO THERE AND THOSE TWO
THERE.
PERIOD.
>> I AGREE AND WHAT I WILL ADD
REAL QUICK.
WE SAW A LITTLE PERCENTAGE BUT
SOME OF IT IS ABOUT DRAMA AND
FIGHTING AND TRUST ME WHEN I
TELL YOU I'VE BEEN WITH THIS MAN
17 YEARS.
IT'S NOT ALL ROSES AND
BUTTERFLIES.
IT'S NOT ALL ROSES AND
BUTTERFLIES BUT IT'S HOW WE
REACT, HOW WE TURNED TOWARDS
EACH OTHER.
WHETHER IT'S A RELATIONSHIP WITH
MY GIRLFRIENDS OR MY HUSBAND
WITH PEOPLE I WORK WITH.
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU FOR
CONTINUING TO WORK ON YOURSELVES
AND BE BETTER.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
RELATIONSHIPS ARE ALL ABOUT.
WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL CLIP.
THIS IS SOMEONE FROM
"LOVE IS BLIND" IN THE PAST
SEASON, THEY SPENT A VIDEO
QUESTION FOR THE MARRIED
COUPLES, LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
>> WHAT'S GOING ON?
THIS IS MY SON, HE SENT MASSIVE
FAN OF THE "LOVE IS BLIND"
FRANCHISE, HE'S WATCHED
SEASON 4.
HE HAS NOT WATCHED DADDY SEASON
AND HE WILL NOT EVER WATCH DADDY
SEASON HOPEFULLY BUT WE BOTH
HAVE A QUESTION.
OUT OF THE FINAL COUPLES,
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL,
WHO'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST TO
BECOME PARENTS?
WHO'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST
COUPLE TO HAVE A LITTLE CUTIE
PIE.
SAY HI, AIDEN.
>> Nick: THERE IT IS.
>> Vanessa: IF THAT DOESN'T
MAKE YOUR OVARIES BURN.
I WANT A NUMBER 4 SO MUCH.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO IS GOING TO
GIVE ME THE FIRST
"LOVE IS BLIND" BABY.
I DON'T WANT TO ASK IF YOU'RE
TRYING BECAUSE THAT IS TMI.
>> Nick: I HOPE YOU ARE ALL
TRYING.
>> PRACTICING.
>> Vanessa: BRETT AND TIFFANY,
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ON THE
BABY TIMELINE.
[BOTH SPEAKING]
>> AS OF NOW WE ARE JUST TRYING
TO ENJOY OUR MARRIAGE.
WE ARE TRAVELING THE WORLD,
GETTING TO LEARN ONE ANOTHER.
THE THING IS WE ARE SO COMMITTED
TO ONE ANOTHER.
WE WANT OUR LIVES HAD TO BEFORE
YOU BRING A LIFE INTO THIS WORLD
SO IT'S NOT ABOUT OH, WE ARE TO
HAVE A BABY RIGHT AWAY.
IT HAS TO BE AT THE RIGHT TIME.
>> I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE A JOKE.
Y'ALL REALLY PUT THE BABY
PRESSURE.
TO ECHO.
FOR US, FOR ANYBODY, ANYONE OF
US THE GOT MARRIED, IT'S A
DRASTIC TRANSITION.
DEFINITELY FOR HER.
IT WAS AN ERROR THAT MUCH OF THE
SHOW BUT WE LIVING IN PORTLAND
ON HER LIVING IN SEATTLE WAS A
BIG THING FOR US BECAUSE WITH MY
JOB AND HER JOB IT WAS BUT A
MUCH UNDERSTOOD THAT SHE WOULD
HAVE TO RELOCATE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH A LOT
OF CHANGES AS A COUPLE BUT SHE
PERSONALLY HAS MADE A LOT OF
SACRIFICES.
FOR THE RELATIONSHIP AND I'M
VERY THANKFUL FOR HER TO DO
THAT.
SO WITH THAT, WE ARE LOVING LIFE
TOGETHER.
>> Vanessa: HOW CUTE WILL THEY
BE?
COLORS.
>> AND BABY BROWN COMES.
>> BABY BROWN?
>> AND BABY BROWN GET HERE, FLY.
>> Vanessa: I LOVE IT.
ALL RIGHT, WHAT ABOUT OVER HERE?
>> I THINK WHEN I ENTERED THIS,
I WAS, THE CLOCK WAS KIND OF
TAKING IN MY MIND AND I THINK
ONE THING THAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL
ABOUT THIS IS THAT I HAD TO GROW
TO BE WITH KWAME TOO.
PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THAT
BUT I LOVE MY MARRIAGE AND I
RESPECT KWAME SO MUCH THAT I AM
LIKE, LET'S ALLOW.
LET'S STEP BACK.
WE'RE GOING TO LET IT HAPPEN
WHEN HE NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN FOR
ME IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GIFT THAT
KWAME COULD HAVE GIVEN ME.
>> Nick: HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS
QUESTION RIGHT >> WE DO THINGS
REALLY FAST.
OUR ENGAGEMENT WAS TWO WEEKS.
I CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE A FAMILY.
>> Vanessa: I THOUGHT YOU WERE
GOING TO TELL ME!
[LAUGHTER]
WAIT, I'M SURE YOU DON'T DO ALL
THINGS FAST.
[LAUGHTER]
>> NO, WE TAKE SOME TIME.
>> Vanessa: JUST MAKING SURE.
>> WE ARE ALL GOOD IN THAT
DEPARTMENT.
I CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE A FAMILY
WITH HIM AND I'M EXCITED FOR IT.
WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT WHEN
THAT TIME IS BUT I'M REALLY,
REALLY EXCITED FOR IT.
>> Nick: CLEARLY THIS ONE
CAN'T WAIT.
WHENEVER THE TIME IS, VANESSA IS
READY.
>> Vanessa: ONE LAST THING
FROM AN OLD MARRIED COUPLE, I
THINK THAT YOU ARE RIGHT TO
SETTLE IN AS A COUPLE AND CREATE
THE FOUNDATION BECAUSE WHEN YOU
DO GET KIDS, THAT FOUNDATION IS
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FALL BACK
ON.
WE CONTINUE TO FALL BACK ON THAT
WE KNOW THAT WHEN THEY ARE 18,
THEY LEAVE AND WE'VE GOT EACH
OTHER BUT IT DOES GET PRETTY
AWESOME WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS.
BY THE WAY, HI, KIDS.
>> Nick: GO TO BED.
YOU'RE UP TOO LATE.
GUYS, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL
OF YOU PARTICIPATING THIS
EXPERIENCE WE WISH ALL OF YOU
THE VERY, VERY BEST OF LUCK AND
WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING
FORWARD TO SEE YOUR LOVE STORIES
CONTINUE TO UNFOLD AS TIME GOES
ON.
>> Vanessa: THANK YOU SO MUCH,
EVERYONE HERE FOR BEING WITH US,
INCLUDING OUR AUDIENCE,
INCLUDING ALL OF YOU AT HOME.
THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT.
BE APPRECIATED.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
WHOO!
WE APPRECIATE IT.
[APPLAUSE]
>> Nick: THE SEASON MAY BE
OVER BUT IF YOU WANT MORE LOVE,
MORE DRAMA AND TEARS, YOU'RE IN
LUCK.
FROM THE CREATORS OF
"LOVE IS BLIND" COMES THE
ULTIMATUM: QUEER LOVE.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SAY HER NAME
ANYMORE.
>> THE EXPENSE WAS TEN PEOPLE
COMING HERE MEETING OTHER PEOPLE
THAT YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING
WITH.
WHAT DID YOU COME HERE FOR?
>> HELLO, EVERYONE.
YOU ARE ALL HERE BECAUSE SOMEONE
IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP HAS ISSUED
AN ULTIMATUM.
EACH OF YOU ARE COMPATIBLE WITH
MULTIPLE PEOPLE HERE.
>> SOMEONE HERE COULD BE A GOOD
FIT FOR ME.
>> I'M READY TO SPEND THE REST
OF MY LIFE WITH SOMEBODY.
>> I'M NOT READY TO COMMIT TO
MARRIAGE.
>> I GAVE AN ULTIMATUM.
EITHER I LEAVE HERE ENGAGED OR
WE ARE DONE.
I WANT TO GET MARRIED TO THIS
PERSON.
I WANT TO BRING CHILDREN INTO
THE WORLD WITH THIS PERSON.
>> I DON'T WANT PERMANENCY OR
STABILITY, I WANT FREEDOM.
>> I WANT TO LIVE WITH YOU FOR
FIVE YEARS AND THEN I'M OPEN TO
IT.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A
MARRIAGE HAVING THESE ISSUES.
>> IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY DOG, YOU
CAN GET THE FUCK OUT.
>> SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DON'T SEE
WHAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
>> YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WANTED AND
NOW YOU DON'T?
>> YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO MARRY
ME BUT YOU FELL IN LOVE WITH
SOMEONE ELSE IN A WEEK AND A
HALF.
>> YOU WERE TRYING TO STIR THE
POT.
>> WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR ME?
>> IT'S TOO LATE, ABSOLUTELY TOO
LATE.
>> THIS SITUATION IS JUST FUCKED
UP.
>> SOMETIMES LOVE IS NOT ENOUGH.